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Will the government support the British Worker.

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onebigvoice
onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 741 Pioneering
Having watched the news in Wales lately about the Pandemic, I stated that it is all right to having the big titles and being paid the big bucks, but sooner or later you're going to have to do something for your "keep"
  At the end of the month (FEB) the Welsh government will be at a hotel near me and like London be in an inquiry as to what and how they handled the Pandemic in Wales.
In history, if you have nothing to hide or you know where things went wrong, this is the time to tell.  I am not out to chastise anyone or everyone as there are people that will ask the questions that everyone wants to hear the answers to about the pandemic.  I suppose my problem is how long will we have to wait before any of it is published.  We also have the election of the new First Minister for Wales as Mark Drakeford is stepping down.  It just happens that Vaughan Gething was the Health Minister at the time and votes within the Labour voters began yesterday and will stay open till Mid March, so voters have already shown their support for Vaughan Gething who is now the Finance Minister and some I have talked to are holding back until the inquiry is over before casting their vote.
  Since there is a lot of talk at the moment about the NHS and Port Talbot Steel Works and the loss of jobs both in the Steel industry and all the people that supply to and support the surrounding areas like cafes and restaurants I believe the loss to the town will be not 3000 job losses but more like 10,000 if you include contractual staff and support.
  Can this government explain how it intends to pay the up-and-coming financial burden placed on Port Talbot Council when paying out dole to the tune of a quick calculation of £84.80 ( if over 25) times 10,000 = £848,000 A WEEK?  TIMES 52 WEEKS = £44,089,000 A YEAR as I cannot see the town recovering from this, can you?
  Would you also like to add to this the cost of fixing the NHS and getting them back into work to do what they were trained to do?
  There seems to be no support for the British Workers or the payment of a decent living wage or pension.  Is this why the Bank of England won't support savings and investments here?  Even some of our MPs invested in Russian Banks before the "Shutters came down" with trading with them.

  What a mess we are in with the NHS, I just cannot see why this government will not bring the assessment of "patients" back under the umbrella of the NHS so that treatment can be give at source, free like it was and the fees paid to contractors is completed by the NHS who's job it was before ATOS took over and quit.,.  The contract back then being £650 MILLION a year FOR ASSESSMENTS.

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  • Hannah_Alumni
    Hannah_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,912 Disability Gamechanger
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    It's such a shame that so many are losing their jobs at Port Talbot :( 
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  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 741 Pioneering
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    The fight is not over yet.  We have all been asking for support not only for the Steel Industry but for many other things like NHS, where the profitable parts of the NHS have been given out to contract, BUT, the bits that require some effort and are not given the support they deserve are still run by the NHS and underfunded.
      What happens if the government gets what it wants?  Doctors and Nurses are back to work under the contracts that the government wants to give.   
      Longer hours, less money, less departmental support, both financially and at the skill levels that are required to run that department?  Because in real terms the skills level required needs to be better some how otherwise they would not be in the mess they are in.
      Lets assume that they, decide to throw in the towel and 1.  Agree to what the government offer is on the table.  2.  That they allow other subcontractors to take over other parts of the NHS that are being underfunded and that they work along side contractors that are being paid more for doing the same job.
     1.  When going back into work who will have the say as to how that department is now run?  Who will allocate women/man power to bring those departments back to pre-pandemic levels and better to reduce waiting times for hospitals/A & E and Doctors practices/Treatment.
     2.  Where would these people come from, that the government can suddenly get Labour to run these areas more efficently than they were before?  What would be the skills levels required for this, and is this in line with the charters in place for the job descriptions.
      Who will be the head of the departments that would allow the hiring of more staff without the loss of skills in each department.  What would be the wage structure and who would set this level of pay?  Would you end up with an us and them culture, where, the people being brought in are paid more so the people that already work there will work to rule, and only do what is included within the charter and no more.
      How would you force the workers to do any more if you keep changing the original contracts.  Would the government like to rip up all the agreements over the years and start again?  An attitude of, this is your new contract of employment and if you don't like it, its the same door that you used to come in here to leave and close the door behind you on the way out, as others are waiting to take your job?
      I have been in situation before and unless there is a serious cultural change within the government and they realise that people will give that little extra not because there is money involved, although it is nice to be paid a good wage, but these wages come with some effort from the Employee, by way of courses and certification that keeps the skills levels at the same level no matter where you are in the country, and that the Employer is willing to give their workforce the best chance of being the best they can be without cost to them.
      This allows for free movement within the company to send labour to assist in places where certain skills may be lacking, not because of the skills set required but because of the locality.
      How many Heart Surgeons are there in the Isle of SKYE?  So waiting lists can be put onto a central computer where the only stipulation for appointments is the time from assessment to treatment once red flagged is kept to a maximum of 15 weeks or less, for example.
      The bottom line is that no resolution is going to be found unless BOTH sides are around the table discussing any counter proposals of what is exceptable and what is not.  List them, go away, if they can't be resolved there and then, but no more than 3 days away from the table.  After all you would have done your homework on what your members were striking for and what you wanted to improve before you got to the table.  Not as it seems, see what the otherside want and then discuss what we can do to get the maximum amout of effort with the minimum amount of effort or money.
      Unions were put into place to protect both sides, not what is happening now where things have been watered down and skills on a certificate can be obtained earlier, and this is by no way a slur or rebuttal against anyone who has taken any certificate, as this still requires effort and the ability to retain the skills learnt and improve all the time as those skills evolve within the job.  This MUST be recodnised by both sides, and I am afraid that now its all about money and job Titles, not experience and results.   
         
     
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,658 Disability Gamechanger
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    Fact: councils don't pay "dole" money the DWP do that.
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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 472 Pioneering
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    @onebigvoice
    That was an  interesting read thank you. You questioned if the government will extend its support to the British workforce. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening. Indeed, I don't anticipate any significant shift in the stance towards the British workforce, even with the possibility of a new party taking power later this year or early next year. It appears that all parties excel at delivering grand promises, but when it comes to execution, it's predominantly just empty words.
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,658 Disability Gamechanger
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    What has been missing since 2010 has been any noticeable growth in GDP, even 2 or 3% growth would deliver massive improvements to the UK economy, as it is right now we are in what has been called "Rishi's recession" and we are likely to stay there for most of this year.
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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 472 Pioneering
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    woodbine said:
    What has been missing since 2010 has been any noticeable growth in GDP, even 2 or 3% growth would deliver massive improvements to the UK economy, as it is right now we are in what has been called "Rishi's recession" and we are likely to stay there for most of this year.

    It is true that some of the challenges faced by the UK economy, such as the impact of Brexit and the COVID-19 pandemic, occurred after 2010. However, the global financial crisis, which had a significant impact on the UK economy, began in 2008 and continued to affect the economy in the following years.

    Additionally, the slowdown in economic growth and the rise in unemployment that followed the 2008 financial crisis were not unique to the UK, but were experienced by many developed countries. While it is important to acknowledge the specific challenges that the UK economy has faced since 2010, it is also important to recognise the broader global context in which these challenges have occurred. 

    While no political party is without fault, the larger parties in the UK tend to prioritise corporate interests over those of the working class. It would be a welcome change to see a party that truly represents the interests of ordinary people and puts their needs first.

  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,658 Disability Gamechanger
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    We were perhaps the only country after 2010 to chose austerity not out of need but out of political spite, making the poor pay for the mistakes of the rich, it was a course of action that was unforgivable, Brexit had a small impact on GDP and covid was unavoidable, but taxes in the UK are now at a post war high and taxing people like that won't get us out of a recession.
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  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 741 Pioneering
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    When I said as a community, would have to pay, I do understand that it comes from the DWP, but it will affect thousands of families NOW, and will include future generations when looking at the people coming out of school in say the next 3 years. Apprenticeships will be harder to find, skills will be lost, and Steel Making like the coal industry will be mentioned in the history books.
      What is this country being turned into?  You now have to think about what we actually manufacture or are we being a leisure industry where we supply holiday camps and housing for people abroad to come to visit. Their pollution has not got any better because they are producing the steel that used to be produced here?  TATA are already making plans to build 2 FURNACES in India and 1 possibly in HOLLAND so when you import steel from anywhere the footprint has to be added to the product as though it was produced here?  So where is the gain, except we are now committed to but from abroad because we no longer produce the best steel in the world WHICH IS COVERED BY A BRITISH KITE MARK THAT EVERYBODY WANTS.  That is why they invest in Britain.  It gives them access to the British Kite mark.  Its that simple.
      
  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 741 Pioneering
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    @MW123.  Yes I agree the global economy is being affected but since 2008 we have also had a world wide Pandemic and a war which isd also affecting petrol prices and our purchasing of other products including produce sold in our supermarkets.
      So how have other countries come out of this?  We now are looking at A Zero carbon emmission foot print, but has anyone actually looked at how we achieve this?  Or has the government who suddnly want to be front runners at these COPEC meetings of the world wide community looked or put sanctions on people and countries who are still producing without reduction on the same scale as Britain?  By adding more tax on the imports?  Will the customer pay more?  Not necessarily if the government paid the extra because they want to trade with them and not get us to pay because you can't make a deal to reduce the added footprint to your products.
      The Steel industry is the next in line.  We are comming up rfor re-election soon, so what have they done with the trade that was supposed to be negociated with the EU, or with the Fishery and Farming industry?

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