A bit more information on ESA/UC WCA reassessments.
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You are correct and applying for PIP does not trigger another WCA. It was purely a coincidence.
You weren't the only person that was reviewed for the WCA at that time and they did catch up with many people that didn't have an assessment for a very long time.. as in 7+ years. You were very fortunately to have gone 12 years without a review.
When you do migrate to UC as a dual ESA and UC claimant any review in the future would be done through UC and the decision would apply to ESA as well.
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This has happened to me in the past. I am now just UC LCWRA and too scared to put a claim in for PIP. The pressure of both assessments at once was awful. I would rather be without what I am entitled to for PIP.
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I was in receipt of LCWRA on UC. Then I applied for PIP and shortly after the UC50 came through. I also had an incident where at the time I was in receipt of both and the reviews came through within 2 weeks of each other.
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If you receive a WCA form at the same time as a PIP form then it will be a coincidence. I've been claiming PIP since 2013 and also claim ESA and have never had a review of both benefits at the same time.
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In your opinion. Those departments IT systems are programmed and networked to speak (as are many other government departments) to each other. It is more than plausible technically that a claim for PIP could trigger a WCA review.
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It is a long while back now
It is a long time back now but it was in a very short space of time.
It is enough that I am now entitled to PIP and too scared to claim it.
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ESA uses a shockingly antiquated IT system, it simply isn't compatible to speak to anything more modern like the system for PIP or UC...
When changing from ESA to UC it takes weeks for your status to be confirmed, precisely because the ESA IT system can't talk to the UC one.
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yes I had already done the LCWRA and that payment was in place and very soon after I claimed the PIP out came the new WCA to fill in.
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It's not my opinion, it's a fact. They very rarely share information with each other and UC and any other department are the worst of all for sharing any information. If they did share information then it would be a lot less stressful for those migrating to UC.
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Hello kuju2,
You refer to @Votadini 's comment as being made in March 2023. That comment was posted in March 2024, not March 2023. I was involved in the thread with @Votadini .
You say you started a claim for PIP in June 2023, having not been reassessed for ESA since 2011. In the summer of 2023, the DWP started to do a limited amount of UC reassessments of both LCW and LCWRA. They also decided to pursue those in ESA Support group who had not been reassessed in years, too. This was their attempt to try to start to catch up on WCA backlogs since they were suspended during Covid. It seems you were caught up in that tranche of limited UC and ESA reassessments.
The comments exchanged between @Votadini and myself in March 2024, it turns out, were correct in that reassessments based on prognosis length alone seem to have been switched off. This is for two reasons, namely that at the time, the Conservative government had started to look at reforms to the WCA including abolishing it since their November 2023 statement. Also, they did not have the capacity to deal with new claims and reassessments at pace at the same time. They decided to concentrate on new claims and change of circumstances or only those in UC LCW and ESA Wrag group (i.e. those who would likely move closer to being fit for work following reassessment). So, I agree with Poppy that you were sent an ESA50 at the time you applied for PIP in the summer of 2023 as a coincidence. You had not been reassessed in 12 years. Lots of long standing claims which had not been reassessed in over 5+ years were getting ESA50s at the time (Summer/Autumn of 2023).
If it helps, my view is that if you feel you meet the criteria to be awarded PIP, you should apply. In fact, the fact that you have been re-awarded ESA in January 2024 should assist your application. You can include the report from the assessor as part of your evidence towards your PIP claim if the difficulties you face for which you get ESA Support group overlap with any of the PIP descriptors. In fact, it is likely that the PIP assessor and the DWP Decision Maker will look at your recent ESA decision to assist in their decision making positively in your favour.
However, I understand you feel you might as well wait until after you are managed migrated to UC if you feel you would be overwhelmed by the stress of it all. Good luck whatever you decide.
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Okay so I am genuinely fearful to put a claim in for PIP because I fear it will trigger a reassessment for my LCWRA. This is what is stopping me putting a claim in and being quite a bit worse off financially.
So if it is a fact can you 100% guarantee me it WILL NOT trigger a LCWRA reassessment? I mean 100% guarantee me.
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WCA reviews for those with LCWRA at the moment are still suspended. It's only those that have LCW that have been reviewed in the past year or so. Putting in a claim for PIP should not under any circumstances cause a review to start for the WCA.
Have you ever had an award for PIP? If you've applied in the past and were refused, did you challenge that decision? If not was there any reason why you didn't?
The reason I'm asking is because when you constantly reapply using the same evidence you previously used after a refusal, they could refuse you again. Challenging the decision is always a better option that reapplying.
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I'm same on esa was 10 years then paper based 2020 I think i applied for pip 2013 didn't trigger anything and it's like saying everytime I've had a review with pip never triggered esa assessment I know how torturous it makes you feel and how low it takes us but there two different benefits
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