Feeling let down

curiousspin

Hi everyone I'm new here my name is kyle was hoping there's a hope still left in humanity and i could get any advice i may need in regards to our failing system! No pun intended I'm solely speaking from my own circumstances dealing with pip and dwp and being ignored and left to rot pretty much! When did it become a thing an assesor i have never met.. can speak to you over video call and dictate your whole life in a whole 35 minutes.. especially considering 80% was not me or what I said at all.. my report genuinely sounds like another person's assesment or they have made up complete lies one or the other.. either way it has knocked my confidence in our systems massively and tbh I find it evil.. I can safely say my mental health has hit the roof and I haven't been dealt with or treat fairly .. do they want us to fail? Is there a hidden agenda?.. thanks kyle

Jimm_Alumni

Hi @curiousspin, first of all welcome. You certainly aren't alone with this experience, the DWP and assessors let people down all the time. It does sometimes feel like it's set up to get you to give up, but there's a built in appeals system. 

You say you have the report, have you received a decision yet? If you have you can submit a Mandatory Reconsideration now. I will be quite open here, only 15% of Mandatory Reconsiderations are successful. The step after that however is a tribunal appeal, which is resided over by a tribunal panel and not the DWP. These have a success rate of around 70%. So it is a bit of a hoop jumping exercise, but many do get the award they're entitled to at the end  

You can read more about appealing here: Appealing a DWP decision | Disability charity Scope UK

Do you have some support with you at all? Someone who can maybe help with the process in person at all? We can give advice and show you good resources here, but when it comes to writing things out it can be helpful to have someone sit down with you.

Let us know how you're getting on and if you've any other questions.

curiousspin

Hi Thanks for this.. yes i had my assesment and was not happy with the outcome I raised a complaint to dwp pip about the accesor and the blatant lies I then done a mandatory reconcideration and have been refused this too .. I asked on what grounds was I reconsidered and was told from what the original accesor had said how can this be fair!! 🤔 and it wasn't awarded!! .. I have suffered with mental health and currently take medication for anxiety and depression and all the other things that come with it.. i am currently on a waiting list for social worker and psychiatrist for bipolar disorder.. I did apply years ago after struggling for a long time but I just gave up as it was easier and was made to feel like a criminal.. it seems there is definately an alterior motive which is sad.. I'm now having to go through the appeal process which is even more daunting.. I feel let down and hopeless as I have a family feeling like I do is bad enough let alone being treated in this way and definately not treat fairly 

curiousspin

Ps yes I have my partner for support but she can only take so much too.. it is having a strain on my whole life and the people around me too.. 

Jimm_Alumni

@curiousspin I gave up when I applied in 2018 too. I was too depressed at the time to try appealing. As I said, something like 85% of MRs are rejected. However, with tribunal appeals about 70% succeed. I actually got to speak to a tribunal judge recently who said it's really more like 75-80% succeed because of how many the DWP offer an award before it reaches the tribunal. 

I'd really consider going for a tribunal appeal. It is about an 8 month wait, but the pay will all be backdated if it decides you are entitled to an award. 

You can read more about it here: Appealing a DWP decision | Disability charity Scope UK

It also has links to support, there are often tribunal advocates who will help you with your case. Help you with what to say and what evidence to submit if it's available. I know you have your partner, but as you've mentioned she can only help so much I think it might be a good idea to see if there's an available advocate. 

Jon7777777

curiousspin said:

Hi everyone I'm new here my name is kyle was hoping there's a hope still left in humanity and i could get any advice i may need in regards to our failing system! No pun intended I'm solely speaking from my own circumstances dealing with pip and dwp and being ignored and left to rot pretty much! When did it become a thing an assesor i have never met.. can speak to you over video call and dictate your whole life in a whole 35 minutes.. especially considering 80% was not me or what I said at all.. my report genuinely sounds like another person's assesment or they have made up complete lies one or the other.. either way it has knocked my confidence in our systems massively and tbh I find it evil.. I can safely say my mental health has hit the roof and I haven't been dealt with or treat fairly .. do they want us to fail? Is there a hidden agenda?.. thanks kyle

I honestly also thought  everything was straight forward honesty etc but all a big pack of lies, words, phrases turned around things u say not said and the things u don't say said, well I will enjoy my day at tribuneral even more, when u kniw u are correct makes you even more determined fight till the end that's all I can say 

Jon7777777

curiousspin said:

Hi Thanks for this.. yes i had my assesment and was not happy with the outcome I raised a complaint to dwp pip about the accesor and the blatant lies I then done a mandatory reconcideration and have been refused this too .. I asked on what grounds was I reconsidered and was told from what the original accesor had said how can this be fair!! 🤔 and it wasn't awarded!! .. I have suffered with mental health and currently take medication for anxiety and depression and all the other things that come with it.. i am currently on a waiting list for social worker and psychiatrist for bipolar disorder.. I did apply years ago after struggling for a long time but I just gave up as it was easier and was made to feel like a criminal.. it seems there is definately an alterior motive which is sad.. I'm now having to go through the appeal process which is even more daunting.. I feel let down and hopeless as I have a family feeling like I do is bad enough let alone being treated in this way and definately not treat fairly 

This is the first time I myself have done this and same expierance, but the way I feel now the appeal process should not be daunting be truthfull like u were in the first place, but then have great pleasure in picking all the inconsistencies out that's what I believe now wins ur appeal, in my case how silly does it sound trazodone makes a person eat food, just makes individuals look silly and embarrassed 

poppy123456

Jon7777777 said:

curiousspin said:

Hi Thanks for this.. yes i had my assesment and was not happy with the outcome I raised a complaint to dwp pip about the accesor and the blatant lies I then done a mandatory reconcideration and have been refused this too .. I asked on what grounds was I reconsidered and was told from what the original accesor had said how can this be fair!! 🤔 and it wasn't awarded!! .. I have suffered with mental health and currently take medication for anxiety and depression and all the other things that come with it.. i am currently on a waiting list for social worker and psychiatrist for bipolar disorder.. I did apply years ago after struggling for a long time but I just gave up as it was easier and was made to feel like a criminal.. it seems there is definately an alterior motive which is sad.. I'm now having to go through the appeal process which is even more daunting.. I feel let down and hopeless as I have a family feeling like I do is bad enough let alone being treated in this way and definately not treat fairly 

 have great pleasure in picking all the inconsistencies out that's what I believe now wins ur appeal, 

Actually, that isn't going to help you. It's fine to point out a couple of obvious errors or contradictions but then move on and focus on where and why you think you should have scored those points. The Tribunal already know that a lot of reports are flawed and they don't need to be reminded of that. 

Jon7777777

poppy123456 said:

Jon7777777 said:

curiousspin said:

Hi Thanks for this.. yes i had my assesment and was not happy with the outcome I raised a complaint to dwp pip about the accesor and the blatant lies I then done a mandatory reconcideration and have been refused this too .. I asked on what grounds was I reconsidered and was told from what the original accesor had said how can this be fair!! 🤔 and it wasn't awarded!! .. I have suffered with mental health and currently take medication for anxiety and depression and all the other things that come with it.. i am currently on a waiting list for social worker and psychiatrist for bipolar disorder.. I did apply years ago after struggling for a long time but I just gave up as it was easier and was made to feel like a criminal.. it seems there is definately an alterior motive which is sad.. I'm now having to go through the appeal process which is even more daunting.. I feel let down and hopeless as I have a family feeling like I do is bad enough let alone being treated in this way and definately not treat fairly 

 have great pleasure in picking all the inconsistencies out that's what I believe now wins ur appeal, 

Actually, that isn't going to help you. It's fine to point out a couple of obvious errors or contradictions but then move on and focus on where and why you think you should have scored those points. The Tribunal already know that a lot of reports are flawed and they don't need to be reminded of that. 

Aww yes poppy I understand that, I think what I mean is for example, I disagree with the decision made by the dwp in not awarding points for prompting  as they state trazodone makes me eat, I have got that inconsistency in at the same time as making my point and the tribuneral will agree, but I honestly feel once u prove 1 thing the rest will just follow, I only need 4 points as I scored 4 originally so very confident however I still have the issue with my decision letter 3 times been on phone last time Monday and still waiting to receive it 3 people have said they have posted it but nothing correct address very strange, surely they can't think of waiting for over a year before getting it do I can't appeal situation is bizzare

honestjon

curiousspin said:

Hi everyone I'm new here my name is kyle was hoping there's a hope still left in humanity and i could get any advice i may need in regards to our failing system! No pun intended I'm solely speaking from my own circumstances dealing with pip and dwp and being ignored and left to rot pretty much! When did it become a thing an assesor i have never met.. can speak to you over video call and dictate your whole life in a whole 35 minutes.. especially considering 80% was not me or what I said at all.. my report genuinely sounds like another person's assesment or they have made up complete lies one or the other.. either way it has knocked my confidence in our systems massively and tbh I find it evil.. I can safely say my mental health has hit the roof and I haven't been dealt with or treat fairly .. do they want us to fail? Is there a hidden agenda?.. thanks kyle

Hi I would advise you to try to get some help to deal with the dwp because trying to deal with them on your own is not easy even people who understand the system say it's not easy to deal with them.
Maybe try citizens advice to ask where you can find someone to help you deal with the decision you disagree with.

curiousspin

Jimm_Scope said:

@curiousspin I gave up when I applied in 2018 too. I was too depressed at the time to try appealing. As I said, something like 85% of MRs are rejected. However, with tribunal appeals about 70% succeed. I actually got to speak to a tribunal judge recently who said it's really more like 75-80% succeed because of how many the DWP offer an award before it reaches the tribunal. 

I'd really consider going for a tribunal appeal. It is about an 8 month wait, but the pay will all be backdated if it decides you are entitled to an award. 

You can read more about it here: Appealing a DWP decision | Disability charity Scope UK

It also has links to support, there are often tribunal advocates who will help you with your case. Help you with what to say and what evidence to submit if it's available. I know you have your partner, but as you've mentioned she can only help so much I think it might be a good idea to see if there's an available advocate. 

You are great help thankyou so much .. yes I'm certainly going to take it to tribunal without a doubt. I just believe its should be dealt with correctly and truthfully in the begining as its completely defeating the object .. subjecting people to misery even more so than we are already going through surely the system is there to help us people in need and not punish us the last i heard they are meant to work for the people and in the interest of the people not the other way around!. I will fight to the very end on this matter because its is certainly something im passionate about equality.. 
I will check out those links thanks again kyle

honestjon

Jon7777777 said:

poppy123456 said:

Jon7777777 said:

curiousspin said:

Hi Thanks for this.. yes i had my assesment and was not happy with the outcome I raised a complaint to dwp pip about the accesor and the blatant lies I then done a mandatory reconcideration and have been refused this too .. I asked on what grounds was I reconsidered and was told from what the original accesor had said how can this be fair!! 🤔 and it wasn't awarded!! .. I have suffered with mental health and currently take medication for anxiety and depression and all the other things that come with it.. i am currently on a waiting list for social worker and psychiatrist for bipolar disorder.. I did apply years ago after struggling for a long time but I just gave up as it was easier and was made to feel like a criminal.. it seems there is definately an alterior motive which is sad.. I'm now having to go through the appeal process which is even more daunting.. I feel let down and hopeless as I have a family feeling like I do is bad enough let alone being treated in this way and definately not treat fairly 

 have great pleasure in picking all the inconsistencies out that's what I believe now wins ur appeal, 

Actually, that isn't going to help you. It's fine to point out a couple of obvious errors or contradictions but then move on and focus on where and why you think you should have scored those points. The Tribunal already know that a lot of reports are flawed and they don't need to be reminded of that. 

Aww yes poppy I understand that, I think what I mean is for example, I disagree with the decision made by the dwp in not awarding points for prompting  as they state trazodone makes me eat, I have got that inconsistency in at the same time as making my point and the tribuneral will agree, but I honestly feel once u prove 1 thing the rest will just follow, I only need 4 points as I scored 4 originally so very confident however I still have the issue with my decision letter 3 times been on phone last time Monday and still waiting to receive it 3 people have said they have posted it but nothing correct address very strange, surely they can't think of waiting for over a year before getting it do I can't appeal situation is bizzare

I think Poppy is making the point that its better for you to concentrate on your own evidence because if you waste all your energy on pointing out how wrong the report is there is a danger that you might forget to provide your evidence of your conditions.

Jon7777777

honestjon said:

Jon7777777 said:

poppy123456 said:

Jon7777777 said:

curiousspin said:

Hi Thanks for this.. yes i had my assesment and was not happy with the outcome I raised a complaint to dwp pip about the accesor and the blatant lies I then done a mandatory reconcideration and have been refused this too .. I asked on what grounds was I reconsidered and was told from what the original accesor had said how can this be fair!! 🤔 and it wasn't awarded!! .. I have suffered with mental health and currently take medication for anxiety and depression and all the other things that come with it.. i am currently on a waiting list for social worker and psychiatrist for bipolar disorder.. I did apply years ago after struggling for a long time but I just gave up as it was easier and was made to feel like a criminal.. it seems there is definately an alterior motive which is sad.. I'm now having to go through the appeal process which is even more daunting.. I feel let down and hopeless as I have a family feeling like I do is bad enough let alone being treated in this way and definately not treat fairly 

 have great pleasure in picking all the inconsistencies out that's what I believe now wins ur appeal, 

Actually, that isn't going to help you. It's fine to point out a couple of obvious errors or contradictions but then move on and focus on where and why you think you should have scored those points. The Tribunal already know that a lot of reports are flawed and they don't need to be reminded of that. 

Aww yes poppy I understand that, I think what I mean is for example, I disagree with the decision made by the dwp in not awarding points for prompting  as they state trazodone makes me eat, I have got that inconsistency in at the same time as making my point and the tribuneral will agree, but I honestly feel once u prove 1 thing the rest will just follow, I only need 4 points as I scored 4 originally so very confident however I still have the issue with my decision letter 3 times been on phone last time Monday and still waiting to receive it 3 people have said they have posted it but nothing correct address very strange, surely they can't think of waiting for over a year before getting it do I can't appeal situation is bizzare

I think Poppy is making the point that its better for you to concentrate on your own evidence because if you waste all your energy on pointing out how wrong the report is there is a danger that you might forget to provide your evidence of your conditions.

Aww ok yes I understand, so is it normal for the dwp to withhold the MR decision as my decision was made ages ago and 3 people have said they will send it out and nothing to phone the forth time is ridiculous