Rishi Sunak's speech

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  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 892 Championing
    And I recommend everyone start writing to/contacting their constituency Labour mp or election candidates now to express angry and poke out every hole to all this

    parties have already started pre election doorstep canvassing - if Labour, Lib Dem or any other political representatives knock then take the opportunity to ‘educate’ them on the facts rather than this fiction being pedalled out by sunak, or even better also have something pre written/typed to give them

    there is officially zero point reasoning with sunaks tories - we need to considerate on getting Labour on side (or at least make clear that the camels back has been broken and we won’t allow them to repeat the Tory treatment of the disabled without major pushback and backlash

    i can understand why Kendall and reeves are quiet on this - but after reading snippets of starmers biography his silence and seemingly disinterest of everything being throw at disabled and carers I’m stumped (and quite frankly angry) at his continued silence
  • Ralph
    Ralph Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering
    ‘  if Labour are in charge they may have the common sense to reverse these newly announced policies asap so they never happen ‘

    I hope you’re right but currently I have no faith in Labour. 
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 892 Championing
    The work & pensions forum has the best write up of everything that was announced yesterday

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/tory-plans-pip-no-longer-always-cash,-wca-harder-to-pass,-uc-migration-sooner,-no-gp-sick-notes,-dwp-power-to-arrest-and-fine
  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 205 Trailblazing
    I think Labour will go after people who don't find work within a 12 month period, either to be placed in work placements, apprenticeships or online courses and if the claimant doesn't adhere to those rules they will lose their benefits. 

    As for Mental Health, the target is to get 18 to 34 year olds back into work, Liz Kendall eluded to this in a recent speech, yet:

    If they win power, the Labour party would scrap any attempt by the Conservatives to make the work capability assessment (WCA) harsher, the Disability News Service (DNS) has reported.

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/labour-would-scrap-harsher-wca,-dns-reports

    The DWP are currently consulting on the Conservative’s plan to make it much harder to get into the limited capability for work-related activity group of universal credit.  Any changes are not planned to be introduced until after the 2025 election and thus could be vetoed by an incoming government.

    When asked about Labour’s position on the plan, Vicky Foxcroft, shadow minister for disabled people, told DNS this week in Liverpool: “We won’t be following through on that. No.”

    I want to say one last thing, all the Daily Mail/Telegraph crowd, those "I'm alright Jack" types who consider themselves patriots are the biggest hypocrites I've came across, when they talk about immigration they say "We should look after our own" when it comes to "looking after our own" they call "their own" scroungers. They're the same people who have Union Jacks as their pictures on Twitter. They want a society where the ill get kicked to the curb but what if they ever get ill? Who will support them? what safety net will be there for them?


  • pipersiren
    pipersiren Online Community Member Posts: 9 Connected
    LIVEDANDLEARNED said:
    I’m so stressed about Rishi Sunak’s speech today. Getting PIP was one of the worst experiences I’ve ever been through, it was a nightmare. Now he’s talking about making it even harder. I have Multiple Sclerosis and severe anxiety, disassociation and PTSD. He’s gunning for us, he’s going to make it ever harder and it’s so stressful.

    I'm sorry to hear you're feeling this way and just wanted to send some solidarity. I'm feeling how you are. I've been off social media for over 6 months (and I can only handle it in small doses even when I'm on it) as it affects me too badly and I stay away from the news generally, but I ended up going back on social media today (as there are a couple of things I actually need it for and it's frustrating not being able to use them) and one of the first things I saw was posts about that speech, which I hadn't heard about til then. It's just sent me spiralling into a horrible place and I came on here to see if anyone else has been feeling the same, so thank you for posting your post <3
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 892 Championing
    MW123 said:
    apple85 said:


    i can understand why Kendall and reeves are quiet on this - but after reading snippets of starmers biography his silence and seemingly disinterest of everything being throw at disabled and carers I’m stumped (and quite frankly angry) at his continued silence
    @a@apple85

    Yesterday, Rishi Sunak demonstrated a startling lack of knowledge about the sickness benefit and PIP systems. His comments were contradictory and at odds with the current processes, highlighting a superficial understanding.

    As for Sir Keir Starmer, he may well be taking his time to thoroughly educate himself on the intricacies of the sickness and PIP benefits before offering a detailed response. Taking a measured and informed approach would showcase his commitment to understanding the challenges faced by those who rely on these support systems.

    The media holds a powerful influence in moulding public opinion, and any perceived favouritism towards a specific group or the notion of providing financial support for individuals to remain at home could be misconstrued as a disregard for the broader populace. To minimise this potential pitfall, and to gain votes it is imperative for the Labour Party to articulate its vision for a just and equitable society that serves the interests of all citizens, while simultaneously acknowledging and addressing the unique challenges faced by the disabled community.
    Sunak has never experienced poverty or even working/middle class issues and as far as I know no one close to him his a disability, health problems or a serious run in with how damaging mental health can be. He’s a rat but very few ppl would seek out to understand these things if it didn’t effect them or their loved ones so I understand his cruelty bcos he doesn’t recognise it as so

    Starmer on the other hand does seem to have a little personal experience (I don’t want to post it all here but look up starmers recent biography and the snippets on his family) - I understand why sunak has no empathy but I don’t understand why starmer doesn’t, and if he does have empathy why not endear himself to the millions whom are craving for someone who can make a real difference to understand them?
    im angrier with starmer over sunak because I expect nothing from that vile little man but I did expect starmer to be a decent man with empathy……and yes an ally to the disabled as well - only people you truly believe in their potential can disappoint you

    and yes the media have far too much influence on votes (sign of uk education falling in standards the past couple of decades?) - why else would starmer be desperate for the times endorsement of him

    my dad has a theory that starmer is just saying what he needs to secure power then will backtrack/u turn on the Tory Orwellian policies against the disabled 
    I hope he’s right but the realist questions why compassion is seen as a vote loser!
  • Rosedale50
    Rosedale50 Online Community Member Posts: 4 Connected
    @apple85 The big difference with Starmer is that nobody's been elected in this country without Rupert Murdoch's support for at least 45 years, and the latter isn't on the side of the former. By worrying about this so much, Starmer's swung way too far to the right and is disillusioning many who would normally vote Labour. He doesn't seem to realise how damaging this is, and it makes it very difficult for the rest of us to know what he really stands for.
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 892 Championing
    Rosedale50 said:
    @apple85 The big difference with Starmer is that nobody's been elected in this country without Rupert Murdoch's support for at least 45 years, and the latter isn't on the side of the former. By worrying about this so much, Starmer's swung way too far to the right and is disillusioning many who would normally vote Labour. He doesn't seem to realise how damaging this is, and it makes it very difficult for the rest of us to know what he really stands for.
    Had to read your comment twice but I think this is the perfect explanation of what’s happening (if our initial impression of starmer was correct - is it possible to have been a human rights lawyers then in x years be happy to break them?)

    I’ve posted this before but the bigwigs at all the major parties just don’t seem interested in the disabled vote bloc (which also is bulked up further in numbers by unpaid carers esp now with the **** they are going through) 

    there are millions of our votes which if utilised could majorly contribute to deciding the election but instead the political parties tactic is to disfrancise us so we don’t vote at all

    late last year many on the scope forum weren’t going to bother voting as they couldn’t see the point, that their vote wouldn’t change a thing
    but after yesterday I think the point of voting is to send a middle finger in sunaks direction - petty and as noticeable as a pin **** but thousands of ‘pin pricks’ would add up

    back to the starmer strategy which seems to be throw the vulnerable under the bus for right leaning media endorsements if it isn’t actually a real swing to the far right he’ll get crucified for any u turns

    i hope labour’s manifesto when published makes things even clearer (and on a similar note if reeves/kendalls majority can be reduced I’d appreciate it as I’m clueless to why those 2 are Labour and not Tory mps)
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 892 Championing
    Danny123 said:
    I suppose this all rests on wether sunek gets these in to law before the next election and whether he looses , what a little weasel dropping this on now as a carrot for people to vote for him 
    The benefits and work forum think that everything that was announced by sunak wouldn’t happen till post election realistically apart from the universal credit migration acceleration which sounds like it’s happening more due the dwp bosses rather than sunak himself  (the dwp were apparently never happy with the delay till 2028/29 that the tories wanted bcos it would save the treasury £1bil)

    On a different note I’ve never the backlash so big on social - ppl finally realising that sunak and co have declared the ‘w’ word on the disabled - now if enough people can get on the same page and put everything on the table by ‘fight back’ vocally at least
  • Ralph
    Ralph Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering
    It’s not Starmer I’m worried about its Reeves.
    I know this is over ten years ago but
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/12/labour-benefits-tories-labour-rachel-reeves-welfare
  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 205 Trailblazing
    Starmer is trying to paint himself as a modern Blair.

    So you have to look at how Blair and Gordon Brown were like with long term sick/ill, physically/mentally disabled. 

    I believe that Starmer will go after jobseekers, aka fit for work unemployed claiming Universal Credit, either find a job within 12 months or take part in courses or community work in order to receive Universal Credit.

    He's already pushing that 8500 new mental health teams will be distributed across Britain to help predominantly 18-24 year olds with mental health difficulties. Liz Kendall wants the youth to work first and foremost. 

    He can't go full Sunak because the Blairite faction in Labour is a minority this time around, he'll have to answer to the Left Wing Labour MP's and what is he going to do? Remove the whip from hundreds of them? Of course not.




  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,862 Championing

    So you have to look at how Blair and Gordon Brown were like with long term sick/ill, physically/mentally disabled. 

    Yes, Labour introduced the WCA in 2008 


  • rebel11
    rebel11 Online Community Member Posts: 1,687 Pioneering
    The 'driver' for everything is 'growth', GDP etc. 

    If Labour are to succeed, they need to do things 'totally' differently, Starmer get's that much.

    Everytime he's spoken, he's said as much.       
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 892 Championing
    WhatThe said:

    So you have to look at how Blair and Gordon Brown were like with long term sick/ill, physically/mentally disabled. 

    Yes, Labour introduced the WCA in 2008 


    Blair prehaps

    Brown - have you read any of his guardian articles recently?

    Brown I feel gets a lot of flax that somewhat unfair - his biggest crime was that he was an unelected pm who was daft not calling an early election 

    if starmer was talking to brown instead of Blair id feel a lot better right now
  • kimkenzie202
    kimkenzie202 Online Community Member Posts: 112 Contributor
    PIP was created because too many people were claiming(according to the Government)DLA, it was supposed to make it harder to get. Unless they plan on banning certain medical conditions from claiming, I can't see reforms making much difference 
  • Ralph
    Ralph Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/21/help-disabled-people-england-wales-jobs-axed-benefits-crackdown

    Seems ridiculously stupid. 
  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 205 Trailblazing
    Doesn't all Sunak's plans depend on whether he wins the next election? I think his plans will be within the Tories' election manifesto. Woodbine is right, unless something miraculous happens then Labour should win a majority or win the most seats.

    I found this from 2011, David Cameron was proposing the same things.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-pledges-crackdown-on-jobless-to-cure-sicknote-culture-2217138.html

    That's also food for thought. 

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