Anyone as confused as me on who to vote for

happyfella
happyfella Online Community Member Posts: 519 Empowering

Lets be honest, in this country there is no real choice when it comes to the General election. There are only two parties that could win which is very sad.

I have been watching the debates and although i don't want the current Government to stay in power, I watched Keir Starmer looking lost.

We all need to vote, but how can you really go and vote when you don't believe in the party you are voting for.

Should there not be something in place where the government should be by law forced to do what they promise. When they try and get elected they promise so much but deliver only a small percentage.

I have seen today Rishi become so desperate with his latest promises and then I look at Keir Starmer who acts like President Biden lost and confused.

For the first time in years, I am really confused on who to vote for. It may come down to picking a name out of a hat.

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  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 8,484 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Personally, I tend to vote for the manifestos and the party in general, not for the leaders. Because as we've seen many times recently, we can change PMs very quickly.

  • happyfella
    happyfella Online Community Member Posts: 519 Empowering

    I get that. But, if we look at the history of all the promises made no matter what party makes them and get into power, most of the promises are broken. In an ideal world, there should be someone higher than the PM who then makes sure they stick to the promises and not just makes them to get in power. It is so hard to believe who is telling the truth and if they will do what they say. Would be easy if we could hook them up to lie dectectors

  • Meg24
    Meg24 Online Community Member Posts: 366 Trailblazing
    edited June 2024

    I don't want to be rude but the reason we are all in such a mess is because so many of us don't seem to understand what each party stands for in general. I'm not allowed to say under the forums impartiality rules but maybe look into the origins of each party and who funds them to find the one who is most likely to represent you overall. I would take not much notice of manifesto promises which are like pie crust, easily made and quickly broken.

  • Ralph
    Ralph Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    It comes down to this. Sunak has promised to raise money for his tax cuts that favour the richest by taking from welfare. The sick and disabled will suffer at the expense of those well off. So unless you’re rich vote for the candidate that has the best chance of beating the conservative candidate.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/jun/11/tory-conservative-manifesto-rishi-sunak-uk-general-election-keir-starmer-labour-latest-live-updates#top-of-blog


  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 898 Trailblazing

    thats not rude its rather hard to understand what each party stands for when there all standing for the same thing at the end of the day there selves regardless of how bad a job they do they get a nice pension we have had since the war a 2 party run country and they have both driven us into the state we are in now

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,777 Championing

    In an ideal world, there should be someone higher than the PM who then makes sure they stick to the promises and not just makes them to get in power.

    There is. That person is King Charles and they swear under oath to him too..

    We're only 5 days past D-Day 80 years on and I don't imagine Sir Keir Starmer can forget the horrors of war as easily as the rest of us!

    I would trust him on defense, human rights and justice since he is well qualified in both. Expecting intelligent people to perform like seals for the cameras? I don't.


  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 873 Championing

    I couldn't agree more. It's astounding that the Tories are now presenting these ideas as ground breaking solutions when they've had 14 years to put them into action. Austerity measures, breaking rules during a pandemic, and economic instability are significant issues that demand accountability. As voters, it's essential to weigh these factors when making informed decisions at the ballot box.

  • janruth
    janruth Online Community Member Posts: 4 Listener

    It would seem most of us don't believe a word any of them say. Their actions prove their inability to be honest and deliver what they promise. The forthcoming election will be won by the reds as the blues have dessimated all our public services and left our country in a terrible state of not even people's needs being met, never mind their wants! As a Disabled person living on benefits, I have never seen things so bad and I'm touching 60 yrs.

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 898 Trailblazing

    i would imagine being a former tory minister she would say something like that its hardly a vote changing statement

  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 59,905 Championing

    be intresting who gets in but it won't be tory I don't think

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 898 Trailblazing

    i myself would agree with you whoever does get in has a nice job clawing back the money the government spent during covid coupled with the rise in the cost of living council tax and income tax rises will be the first i would say hitting the workers yet again round and round we go

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,777 Championing
    edited June 2024

    michael,

    Anna Soubry is an exception to most other former Tory MPs. She was a thorn in the side of the likes of IDS and other nasties. Tricked into abandoning ship by his friend Heidi Allen to form a new tiny nobody party.

    Anna Soubry has announced she will vote Labour in this GE hoorah! She's an experienced barrister and journalist and cares deeply about social justice.

  • Teigr
    Teigr Online Community Member Posts: 4,650 Championing

    Very true,I don't think Starmer will last long.

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 898 Trailblazing

    she had her chance as well as the 7 labour members that turned out well for them so thats 3 different parties she has voted for at least your an ardent labour supporter i give you credit for that

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,777 Championing

    Chance? She was a brilliant MP. She's still a brilliant journalist and lawyer!

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 898 Trailblazing

    If she was that good she would still be doing it would she not

  • rebel11
    rebel11 Online Community Member Posts: 1,669 Pioneering

    The Conservative Party is not the Conservative Party of old, she realized they no longer stood for the things she believed in. So left she politics. The Conservatives are a 'total shambles'.

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 898 Trailblazing

    One could say the same about 99% of politicians regardless of who they stand for or jump to

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 873 Championing

    Anna Soubry voting Labour has surprised me. As an MP, her voting record shows she mostly voted to cut disability benefits and welfare spending in general, though she was a strong supporter of improving access to education and protecting rights for disabled students.