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Anyone as confused as me on who to vote for

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happyfella
happyfella Community member Posts: 504 Pioneering

Lets be honest, in this country there is no real choice when it comes to the General election. There are only two parties that could win which is very sad.

I have been watching the debates and although i don't want the current Government to stay in power, I watched Keir Starmer looking lost.

We all need to vote, but how can you really go and vote when you don't believe in the party you are voting for.

Should there not be something in place where the government should be by law forced to do what they promise. When they try and get elected they promise so much but deliver only a small percentage.

I have seen today Rishi become so desperate with his latest promises and then I look at Keir Starmer who acts like President Biden lost and confused.

For the first time in years, I am really confused on who to vote for. It may come down to picking a name out of a hat.

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  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 5,164 Scope online community team
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    Personally, I tend to vote for the manifestos and the party in general, not for the leaders. Because as we've seen many times recently, we can change PMs very quickly.

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  • happyfella
    happyfella Community member Posts: 504 Pioneering
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    I get that. But, if we look at the history of all the promises made no matter what party makes them and get into power, most of the promises are broken. In an ideal world, there should be someone higher than the PM who then makes sure they stick to the promises and not just makes them to get in power. It is so hard to believe who is telling the truth and if they will do what they say. Would be easy if we could hook them up to lie dectectors

  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,934 Disability Gamechanger
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    The more I see of Sunak and the Tories the more I realise they don't want to win this election, when they came to power in 2010 national debt was £800 billion it now stands at an eye-watering £2.7 trillion and the interest payments alone are £104 billion a year, they have crashed the economy and trashed public services.

    For Labour to go from its worst defeat since 1934 and now be 21 points ahead in the polls is a miracle, the Tories could suffer their worst defeat in 200 years on July 4th, and its even possible the Lib Dems will end up as the official opposition party on July 5TH

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  • Meg24
    Meg24 Community member Posts: 170 Pioneering
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    I don't want to be rude but the reason we are all in such a mess is because so many of us don't seem to understand what each party stands for in general. I'm not allowed to say under the forums impartiality rules but maybe look into the origins of each party and who funds them to find the one who is most likely to represent you overall. I would take not much notice of manifesto promises which are like pie crust, easily made and quickly broken.

  • Ralph
    Ralph Community member Posts: 107 Pioneering
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    It comes down to this. Sunak has promised to raise money for his tax cuts that favour the richest by taking from welfare. The sick and disabled will suffer at the expense of those well off. So unless you’re rich vote for the candidate that has the best chance of beating the conservative candidate.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/jun/11/tory-conservative-manifesto-rishi-sunak-uk-general-election-keir-starmer-labour-latest-live-updates#top-of-blog


  • michael57
    michael57 Community member Posts: 322 Pioneering
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    thats not rude its rather hard to understand what each party stands for when there all standing for the same thing at the end of the day there selves regardless of how bad a job they do they get a nice pension we have had since the war a 2 party run country and they have both driven us into the state we are in now

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community member, Scope Member Posts: 1,153 Pioneering
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    In an ideal world, there should be someone higher than the PM who then makes sure they stick to the promises and not just makes them to get in power.

    There is. That person is King Charles and they swear under oath to him too..

    We're only 5 days past D-Day 80 years on and I don't imagine Sir Keir Starmer can forget the horrors of war as easily as the rest of us!

    I would trust him on defense, human rights and justice since he is well qualified in both. Expecting intelligent people to perform like seals for the cameras? I don't.


  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,934 Disability Gamechanger
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    The Tories have been in office for 14 years now, if anything they are putting forward now as good ideas then the question must be why have they not already done it ? Instead they gave us years of austerity, they abused there own rules during covid and since then they have crashed the economy forcing up interest rates and the cost of mortgages and rents.

    I really do genuinely question the wisdom of voting for a party that has been guilty of all that and more.

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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 565 Pioneering
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    I couldn't agree more. It's astounding that the Tories are now presenting these ideas as ground breaking solutions when they've had 14 years to put them into action. Austerity measures, breaking rules during a pandemic, and economic instability are significant issues that demand accountability. As voters, it's essential to weigh these factors when making informed decisions at the ballot box.

  • janruth
    janruth Community member Posts: 4 Listener
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    It would seem most of us don't believe a word any of them say. Their actions prove their inability to be honest and deliver what they promise. The forthcoming election will be won by the reds as the blues have dessimated all our public services and left our country in a terrible state of not even people's needs being met, never mind their wants! As a Disabled person living on benefits, I have never seen things so bad and I'm touching 60 yrs.

  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,934 Disability Gamechanger
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    Former Tory minister Anna Soubrey said live on TV last night if you want a "decent and honest govt" you have to vote Labour.

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  • michael57
    michael57 Community member Posts: 322 Pioneering
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    i would imagine being a former tory minister she would say something like that its hardly a vote changing statement

  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 54,385 Disability Gamechanger
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    be intresting who gets in but it won't be tory I don't think

  • michael57
    michael57 Community member Posts: 322 Pioneering
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    i myself would agree with you whoever does get in has a nice job clawing back the money the government spent during covid coupled with the rise in the cost of living council tax and income tax rises will be the first i would say hitting the workers yet again round and round we go

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community member, Scope Member Posts: 1,153 Pioneering
    edited June 12
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    michael,

    Anna Soubry is an exception to most other former Tory MPs. She was a thorn in the side of the likes of IDS and other nasties. Tricked into abandoning ship by his friend Heidi Allen to form a new tiny nobody party.

    Anna Soubry has announced she will vote Labour in this GE hoorah! She's an experienced barrister and journalist and cares deeply about social justice.

  • Teigr
    Teigr Community member Posts: 3,840 Disability Gamechanger
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  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,934 Disability Gamechanger
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  • michael57
    michael57 Community member Posts: 322 Pioneering
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    she had her chance as well as the 7 labour members that turned out well for them so thats 3 different parties she has voted for at least your an ardent labour supporter i give you credit for that

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community member, Scope Member Posts: 1,153 Pioneering
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    Chance? She was a brilliant MP. She's still a brilliant journalist and lawyer!

  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,934 Disability Gamechanger
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    Starmer 66% Sunak 34% in a poll immediately after tonights sky programme, I don't think I can remember a PM putting up a worse showing as Sunak has so far it's almost as though he has lost interest now, and to top it all he's now out of the UK for a few days at the G7 in Italy.

    On top of all that the ITN interview with Paul Brand that he dashed back from Normandy early for was a complete train crash, apparently as a child he went without Sky TV at a time before any of us had it, and now under his leadership we have thousands of children going to bed hungry. Complete joke !

    2024 The year of the general election...the time for change is coming 💡

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