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UC Forced Migration

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Lentilsandveggies
Lentilsandveggies Community member Posts: 11 Connected

Hi,is it true that the forced migration from legacy benefits to UC,has been brought forward from 2028,to autumn 2024?Is this 100% confirmed now,or just speculation?

When you make the transition,how long does it take for the new payments to begin?

Are the payments backdated?I have heard that some going from WTC to UC are not getting payments backdated.

If your going from IB SG ESA to UC LCWRA,do you have to provide medical evidence,ie sick notes?Or just fill the forms in and send them off?

I heard that in some circumstances,you can request payments to be made fortnightly,rather than monthly,how hard is it to do this in reality?

Would there be any advantages/disadvantages in making the migration voluntarily now,rather than waiting until you are forced to migrate?

Thanks.

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,951 Disability Gamechanger
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    The Tories announced some weeks ago that migration for those claiming Income Related ESA has been moved to between Sept 2024 and Dec 2025. Whether that changes with a possible new Government I have no idea.

    When you submit your claim for UC your Income Related ESA will continue for 2 weeks and then stop. Same applies to housing benefit if you claim this.

    Your first UC payment will be 1 month and 6 days after you submit your claim. UC is paid monthly in arrears so your first payment will be for 1 month, same as all other payments.

    For example, if you claimed today then your assessment periods will be 19th to 18th of every month. Your payment date will be 25th of every month, unless that falls on a weekend or bank holiday and then you will receive payment on the last working day.

    If in the Support Group you’ll be entitled to the LCWRA element from the start of your claim. You will not need another assessment.

    Yes you can ask for an Alternative Payment Arrangement in some circumstances. See link https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-alternative-payment-arrangements/alternative-payment-arrangements

    When you would be better off claiming UC now will depend on circumstances and what’s included with your ESA. If it includes the Severe Disability Premium then you would be worse off if you naturally migrated across.

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Remina
    Remina Community member Posts: 168 Pioneering
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    So legacy benefits continue for 2 weeks after claiming UC, but you don't get your first UC payment until a month and 6 days after you claim UC, then that means there is 3 weeks inbetween that in which we will have no money? Is this true Poppy?

    I currently get housing benefit and income related ESA, so does that mean after 2 weeks after I claim UC, I will then have 3 weeks while waiting for UC in which I won't have any payments or any money?

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,951 Disability Gamechanger
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    @Remina Income Related ESA/JSA, Income Support and Housing benefit continue for 2 weeks and then stop.

    Yes, it means you will be waiting a few weeks for your UC payment. You can ask for an advance payment of UC but this needs to be repaid back and your future UC payments will be reduced.

    If any part of your ESA is contributions based that will continue as normal but be deducted in full from any UC entitlement.

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Remina
    Remina Community member Posts: 168 Pioneering
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    Ah I understand, in that case I will try to save up some money and put it aside to cover those 3 weeks.. Thank you for the response, Poppy.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,951 Disability Gamechanger
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    You’re welcome.

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Lentilsandveggies
    Lentilsandveggies Community member Posts: 11 Connected
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    Ok thanks Poppy.So the migration does not trigger a WCA,but do you have to provide medical evidence,like a doctors note as part of that change over from ESA to LCWRA UC? Or are the "fit notes" you hear about,only for people who are claiming LCWRA UC for the first time,rather than migrating from legacy benefits?

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,951 Disability Gamechanger
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    As I advised you will be entitled to the LCWRA element from the start of your claim. This means you won’t need fit notes or medical evidence.

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Lentilsandveggies
    Lentilsandveggies Community member Posts: 11 Connected
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    Ok,thanks for the clarification

    :)

  • Phil76
    Phil76 Community member Posts: 8 Listener
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  • Phil76
    Phil76 Community member Posts: 8 Listener
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    Hello Everyone

    I recently received the migration letter for my ESA to UC.I am currently on ESA support group.I’ve made a claim for UC and they are asking for fit notes,I have had a fit note for a long time because I’m in Support group.They are still asking for fit note,Shouldn’t they just migrate my ESA over?How long should it take for my claim to go back to normal like when I didn’t have to hand in fit notes?They are still asking what work I can do etc but I’m on ESA for mental health so can’t work. Hope you understand and thank you for any help.

  • Phil76
    Phil76 Community member Posts: 8 Listener
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    haven’t had a fit note for ages that’s meant to say

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,951 Disability Gamechanger
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    @Phil76 you don’t need a fit note because you will be entitled to the LCWRA element from the start of your claim.

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Phil76
    Phil76 Community member Posts: 8 Listener
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    Hi Poppy,The person I’m seeing at jobcentre says I have to give in a fit note,I’m confused.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,951 Disability Gamechanger
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    No, you do not need to provide a fit note. Put a message onto your journal and tell them you're in the Support Group for ESA. As you've received your migration letter they should already know you're in the Support Group.

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Phil76
    Phil76 Community member Posts: 8 Listener
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    ok I will try that Poppy,Thank you for your help

  • Lentilsandveggies
    Lentilsandveggies Community member Posts: 11 Connected
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    @Phil76 Do you mind me asking what general area of the country you are? Just trying to work out if they are doing the UCFM rollout by postcode,or some other order.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,951 Disability Gamechanger
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    I don't know what UCFM is?

    For those claiming either Income Related ESA or ESA with housing benefit they are sending out migration notices to 500 people in Wolverhampton and Suffolk as part of a trial process to better understand the needs of some claimants. More information here. https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-quietly-starts-early-rollout-of-universal-credit-to-some-esa-claimants-without-telling-mps/

    For everyone else, claiming those benefits, who knows what will happen with a new Government just around the corner.

    Does your ESA include the Severe disability Premium?

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Phil76
    Phil76 Community member Posts: 8 Listener
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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,951 Disability Gamechanger
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    Yes, there was another member here a couple of days ago that also received the migration letter for the trial. I must admit they were very quick at sending those out.

    Does your ESA include the Severe disability Premium?

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Phil76
    Phil76 Community member Posts: 8 Listener
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