Diabetes & PiP
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@Razr you are completely missing the point I'm trying to make. I will just leave it there now…
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Right, so you're telling me that if someone had Enhanced for both parts of ADP and they had a new diagnosis or new medication then they need to report the changes? Even though it wouldn't matter how many more points they scored they couldn't receive a higher award than they already have? How odd and a complete waste of time for the claimant and SSS.
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If the person is genuine then in time they should get what they are entitled to, if they already get PIP how would they lose that entitlement with their health getting worse? very rare
No better than PIP scaring you off,
also, they do not stop your claim or entitlement immediately, you will continue with your entitlement until they reassess you, and then you find out if it's going up or down, it is a war in my opinion and if you give up then you lose. fight them and lay it on the table, what have you got to lose
as said before I can only tell of my experiences, I fought them, searched and got the support I needed to help me challenge them, took a long time but I did win
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poppy is there any DM on here or all open?
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@Razr if you report changes and you’re refused once a decision is made your award will stop. Any new decision overrules your current award. This is why you need to be very careful before reporting changes. A worsening of condition or a new diagnosis doesn’t automatically entitle you to more points for a higher award.
Not that I’m aware of. Scope is an open forum so anyone can view the threads.
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I did what my professional support workers and CAB told me to do, so I rest my case
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Why?
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Why what?
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Yep, I don't get it at all. I get enhanced rate on both. The only plus is that they keep paying till they make a decision and the last time, they extended my award for another 2 years due to "low likelihood of improvement in the near future" - so either SSS are being fair or the medics have told them something they don't want me to know (which would make sense with my UC LCWRA award going through as "we have sufficient medical evidence")
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if you report changes and you’re refused once a decision is made your award will stop. Any new decision overrules your current award.
Why will the deterioration in health and deterioration in quality of life describe in detail lead to a reduction in payments? What document says this?
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While it's important to note that a worsening condition should not reduce your current Personal Independence Payment (PIP) award, we know that this is not always the case, and people reporting worsening conditions have seen payments lowered or stopped. It is an important consideration to make when reporting a change of circumstances. Any new decision made regarding your claim will take precedence over your existing award.
If the decision is a refusal, your award will end. There is no automatic entitlement to PIP for anyone, except in cases where individuals are claiming under special rules due to having 12 months or less to live.
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Preparation and keeping a copy of everything you send them and receive is a must then?
This is what CAB and my support have done little did I know
The PIP system is obviously no good then and is not designed to help at all
Are you saying they do not keep a history of anything you send or they award or send you?
Surely it would be better if they kept a track record of your claim and entitlement which in turn could possibly catch more scammers and also build a relationship with their clients that are genuine as there will be history that they can look at and make a proper and fair judgement
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Of course they keep information about previous claims but this still doesn't automatically mean that your award will continue, whether it's a review started by them or you've reported changes.
All claims should be treated as new claims and you should always fill out the forms with as much relevant information as possible.
If you sent the evidence previously then it doesn't matter, you should still send it, as well as any new relevant evidence you have. The form you fill in makes up part of your evidence so it's important to give the information on there too.
I've seen it happen far too many times where someone has had a review or reported changes and then lost everything they had so you shouldn't take it for granted that your award will continue.
Not everyone will be entitled to PIP, it depends on how your conditions affect you. You can have a disability but if you don't meet the descriptors you won't score the points needed for an award. They are some people that are just not entitled, regardless of how many times they try.
Scammers? or do you mean fraudulent claims? Very few people claim PIP fraudulently.
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PIP is as far as I can tell, designed on the us medical insurance model, where the goal is to cut costs by finding as many fit for work as possible and denying as many claims as possible. The reason they "demedicalised" the process was simply that medical evidence isn't possible to deny and courts were ruling against them in the states, so the solution they came up with was to make medical evidence out of the process entirely in favour of "assessors" paid for by them and thus contractually beholden to them. In the states this model is called - delay,deny,defend - delay the processing as much as possible, deny the claim, defend the decision all the way to the highest court level if required (and that's only if you haven't found a way to make it not actionable) why? To make claimants lose hope, give up, withdraw their claims and if they refuse to, well you have found them fit and thus you can brand them as a workshy malingerer undeserving of support. End result - heads they win, tails you lose.
HOWEVER in the UK the sticking point for this unholy DWP/US medical insurer scheme has been the judiciary, which unlike the USA is independent of the political process and takes into account common law precedent, which has thrown multiple spanners in the works.
If you look online, you can find all sorts like the pip assessment manual for assessors
The wca one is online as well and contains so many interesting points like embarrassing information (not embarrassing to the client....no embarrassing to the DWP....Showing just how ingrained their culture of secrecy and hostility to outside scrutiny is…)
Also part and parcel of this is creating inflated and often invented claims of "fraud" and "scamming" and "malingering" etc to create a public perception of a justifiable need for this harshness - it's propaganda...little different to that employed during the Nazi era in Germany (look at the Aktion T4 propaganda posters and tell me that the rhetoric in the posters doesn't bear any resemblance to the rhetoric being chucked around right now by both the DWP and govt ministers alike)
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One thing that can't happen at any point during a PIP claim is being found fit for work because PIP is not about your ability to work.
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do they ask a about work? As there was nothing asking about work on the PIP form?
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They may ask if you work, although it's not about your ability to work. People claim PIP and work. However, if the work you do contradicts the reasons why you're claiming PIP it may go against you. You certainly can't be found fit for work.
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