Why a constant attack on vunerable

BrainfartsHere
BrainfartsHere Online Community Member Posts: 24 Connected
edited November 2024 in Current affairs

Why is this gov putting forward more plans to bully the vunerable..All are so misinformed what crippling anxiety and depression involves

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  • lop
    lop Online Community Member Posts: 12 Connected

    I started crying and saying 'am I a scrounger?' 'Am I a blight?' 'Am I worthless?' , because whenever the media start reporting on 'sweeping changes' on benefits and disabled people being 'parked on benefits for life' I feel so terrible. My mental illness has prevented me from leading a life in which I could feel the dignity of being ABLE to work. At the same time, I understand why Starmer & Liz Kendall are raising this issue. It's just the way the media frames it, as if we are all lovers and scroungers on the take.

  • lop
    lop Online Community Member Posts: 12 Connected

    Lovers not lovers !!!

  • lop
    lop Online Community Member Posts: 12 Connected

    Losers not lovers lol

  • Tesslynne
    Tesslynne Online Community Member Posts: 58 Contributor

    Saying there's less jobs we can do, it doesn't mean some of us can't do ANY. Some of us CAN'T though and that's OK! And some of us CAN but there are a lot of things ruled out because of our condition/s. Whether they are physical, mental health related, neurodivergence related or whatever. And I'm sick of some people not getting that. I really REALLY AM. ICK! I can't think about this anymore or I'll get too scared.

  • lop
    lop Online Community Member Posts: 12 Connected

    Me too. Every single time I just feel self hate as though I don't deserve it and maybe I'm just a scrounger after all. It lowers my self esteem instantly. Which is no help to anyone.

  • pooleemily29
    pooleemily29 Online Community Member Posts: 94 Contributor

    @Tesslynne hi I'm @pooleemily29 I totally agree with you here on this point ever-increasing I read the government's plans for change in the PM's manifeso or whatever you call it, where it he says he's gonna make work pay, he cannot make chronically ill sick people work I myself with multiple health conditions not least my Hemiplegic Cerebral Palsy but epilepsy, and hydrocephalus which means I have a shunt in. It makes me mad. Don't get me wrong it would be lovely to work if not for the social aspect of it but anything else.... it's beyond ridiculous I'm sorry 😞.

    Love @pooleemily29 ❤️

  • frozenpelvis
    frozenpelvis Online Community Member Posts: 46 Contributor

    maybe you would like to sign this petition and forward it on , it has already hit a million


    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143

  • frozenpelvis
    frozenpelvis Online Community Member Posts: 46 Contributor
  • Cyhyraeth
    Cyhyraeth Online Community Member Posts: 26 Contributor

    Talk TV is a very right wing, rage baiting platform. As are the Daily Mail/Mail on Sunday. All he did was pledge to clamp down on benefit fraud. Anything these else these right wing talking head say, is irrelevant and should be ignored.

     

  • Jimm_Scope
    Jimm_Scope Posts: 5,409 Scope Online Community Specialist

    Hey everyone, I would say that TalkTV are not very representative of the general populace. They have a very particular political slant.

    I do think the rhetoric has reached a horrible place, but any legislation will have to go through parliament and your MP will have to vote on it. There are many chances to get our voices heard in that time. I understand it's very worrying and distressing, but we aren't alone.

    Please do check out Minds advice page on coping with distressing news.

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 859 Pioneering

    I see many comments here about the treatment of disabled people, and this should also include people who are sick and people now on longterm sick.

    What is longterm sick? Someone who is of working age and becomes unable to continue to do the job he was paid to do. (In basic terms.) I want to discuss this first. These people may have worked all their lives and through no fault of their own can no longer work. Whether its because of an illness, accident at work or at home, the ability to continue would cause problems, but the return to work to early can cause even more problems down the line.

    It was only recently that when a worker in an office had the flu they were sent home to stop infecting everyone else in the office. A good example was corvid. Any symptoms and you were sent to be tested. Then it became that all were tested just to be sure.

    This is what sick pay was for. What about if you had an accident and lost a limb or sight, hearing issues through work, all covered under the NHS sickness scheme.

    But, stress and anxiety are just as bad, with only one difference, they are not always seen, and because some one who was always active and a key member of a team, suddenly starts to miss work of the stress of the job becomes to much, suddenly is off work. These people then go into a catagory as, "he's pulling a fast one" but it's a living hell for the person.

    It not only affects the person's personal relationship but also family and friends as they distance themselves. Where is the help?

    If you do not go to the doctors to ask what is wrong, you can end up, especially were the support is coming from your partner, who would do anything to see the person they know get better. This turns into a downward spiral where it's easier to let things slip, thinking it's only a blip and I will get well soon. It won't. That is why you are not a doctor, and that is what they are for. How many people who are feeling ill do not go to a doctor for an examination and find they have undiagnosed Cancer. Where treatment becomes restricted by other factors.

    So the other side of the coin. Whether you are disabled from birth, or later in life, the chances of you never being ill are slim. So in all the years since the NHS was conceived in 1953, are we still not able to support people who need help.

    It's like trying to reinvent the wheel. How can a person with no understanding of the complexities of human nature and disability tell a government department to pay or not pay for treatment because it's not cost-effective?

    It's not the system that needs revamping it's the reason the NHS was born. To give care and treatment free at source for every British Citizen.

    How do these latest plans come into that? Until you try to claim a benefit you don't realise what you have to do to get support of any kind, Financially or Medically. I know as like many here it has taken over my life to get support where promises are made until they really have to do something and then they use the GET OUT OF GOAL CARD…. It was only a discretionary payment which we have looked at and decided not to pay as we only have a certain amount of money allocated each year, and there are many worse off than you that also do not get it. Try next year, things may change by then. But what do you do till then?

    The NHS is not a money-making business for investors, but a supposedly self-generating and reinvestment business that reinvests in technology and training to get the best medicine, best people assessing us, and more importantly the best results quicker than that done by the companies used by the DWP to assess us where even if you are assessed, it takes 20 weeks plus, to have to wait for a decision maker to award a monetary value on the assessment before you can be paid anything. And, if your not happy you can have a MR, to look again at the claim, and it starts again. Tribunals are also now being extended as they now quote six months to a year, and even then the DWP do not reply to the court using Rule 4 of the tribunal service to extend the 1 month respond time, now waiting after 4 extensions to that rule which is also incorrect and should be heard in their absence, now being 15 months for an urgent appeal?

  • vikingqueen
    vikingqueen Scope Member Posts: 1,716 Championing

    The NHS was formed in 1948 not 1953. Not knocking your post just correcting the date.

  • whistles
    whistles Online Community Member Posts: 1,979 Championing

    I don't see this footage as an attack on the vulnerable, it's a discussion.

    They are actually talking about young people of school leaving age struggling due to the fact their last few years of education were disrupted due to the lockdown.

    We've got very poor memories haven't we. It was only four years ago that this country totally shut down and everyone experienced something that nobody has experienced ever before and most likely won't ever again. I have actually forgotten how long things were disrupted for. That experience was life changing for me, but it didn't cause me any longterm mental health issues.

    It's no real surprise though that we've got a younger generation struggling with their mental health, they are the ones at the brain still developing impacted stage.

    You've always had choices as a young person, college, work, training scheme. You couldn't ever be unemployed until 18. But I believe you could/can be signed off sick.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 2,890 Championing
    edited November 2024

    whistles, I'm also more concerned for our younger generations than I am for myself.

    I would not watch that channel, ever 🙄

    Why a constant attack on vulnerable?

    When was it ever not so? Scapegoats are everywhere. We only get huffy when it means us!

  • OneSunnyDay1
    OneSunnyDay1 Online Community Member Posts: 47 Connected

    It's nothing new been happening since the start of time. The thing is the more they keep going after people, the worse they make people's health. Then people need even more help. They are just making people's physical or mental health worse by persecuting them. And then it just costs the government more money because now the person is worse than before.

  • whistles
    whistles Online Community Member Posts: 1,979 Championing

    I haven't ever heard of the channel. But they weren't in that link bullying the vulnerable which is the thread title. They were discussing options for getting young people back into the workplace.

    I do feel that social media is very damaging, and this is possibly why we are also seeing an increase in mental health issues in the younger generation.

    The next generation are the ones looking after us in our old age.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 240 Empowering

    The government have not really committed to doing anything bar what they have already released as white papers and declared officially.

    The right wing media (Mail, express, GBnews, Talk TV etc) tend to swing things in negative directions and these can cause much more stress. The Telegraph also likes to target benefit claimants from time to time. Many of these are pro Reform or pro Tory papers so also have an interest in decrying Labour policy. Just like the Mirror tends to have a positive Labour spin as it is a Labour paper, the Guardian a liberal one and so on.

    I think it's useful to know the biases of specific news sources and to read information from as many different ones as possible to get a rounded view of what might or might not be happening. But at the end of the day, until the government formally introduce changes into law, nothing is actually going to happen.

    The petition for a new election was started by supporters of Reform etc, people who want to remove all the protections we have under the European Court of Human Rights. It also has no power to be realised because parliamentary terms are 5 years and nothing is going to change that. It's a petition backed by the same people who said it was undemocratic to have another Brexit vote despite 6 million signing a petition for one. If that was undemocratic, so would another election be.