lcwra -pip

garyaye123

Hi have been turned down for pip again i peeled and only got 6 points i get lcwra because of mental and physical problems but jus cant see why i cant get help with pip i know people who are on it and they are a lot younger and fitter than me im 57 now living on my own for a year after split with wife still got bills to pay like everyone else worked all my life never had to claim ever now i need help just cant get anywhere

thanks gary

cheles99

try citizen advice they help you fill in form also its not the illness its how it effects your daily life tell them you want a mandatory reconsideration

teuchterlass

Did you get help to fill in the forms.

I feel the correct use of words in the way they believe we should express ourselves is pretty difficult - did you get help from CAN, Scope, Social work or some professional help.

I used to help folk fill similar forms to claim allowances, one positive word and it was marked down.

Recently friend with 4 brain injuries amongst many health problems, advised her how to complete forms, she kept writing I can do this (even if she managed once out of 50 times). Refused, appeal refused, ended up in front of judge, Dr and DWP for assessment - history of very senior health worker, has forced herself and due to knowledge of working in the environment for years how to push herself for improvements. They saw how positive, how determined to improve and check she was always continuing to improve. She wrote the forms as she would be giving report on patients, always positive when it should have been negative wording.

Wording was everything, worth finding who is best to help fill in forms.

Kimi87

How far has the appeal gone?

garyaye123

What do you mean how far as it gone ??

Kimi87

There are two stages, Mandatory Reconsideration with DWP and a hearing with an independent appeal tribunal.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/

garyaye123

oh sorry is was a mandatory

reconsideration

Kimi87

Okay, it's very unusual for DWP to change the decision at MR.

Appeal tribunals have a much higher success rate.

I'd strongly recommend seeking local help to support you through the next stage

https://advicelocal.uk/welfare-benefits

poppy123456

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/962623#Comment_962623

Only 26% of MR decisions change in the claimants favour so I'm not surprised the decision remained the same.

There's about 69% chance of success at Tribunal stage providing you either appear in person or have a telephone/video hearing.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/apply-to-tribunal/

MCMikey

At my mandatory reconsideration, I included a two-page letter with extra details about my condition to support my case. It seemed clear from their reply that they either hadn't read my letter or couldn't be bothered to reply to any of the points I'd raised as their reply was a single short paragraph standard answer. The welfare officer who later supported my case said this often occurs and is simply designed to put people off with the hope that people will not pursue any further. I'm sure this was helpful at my later tribunal court case when I asked the court (my welfare officer did this on my behalf) to consider these points on the letter which were not addressed earlier.

I believe the main factor which got me my PIP was the independent doctor assigned by the court to look at my case and who was present at the court hearing. However, the welfare officer who supported me said that in his opinion of previous cases the independent doctor and indeed the judge on the day to some extent may look favorably on a particular case, or may not. In effect it's somewhat the luck of the draw. I know this doesn't sound right and you'd think it would be a level playing field, but people aren't machines.

Conclusion, don't give up. Use the internet to your advantage, do your research, look for previous case law (i.e. examples of cases that have won and appeal), get an advocate (a welfare officer or similar who should help with the wording and finding case law anyway).

teuchterlass

Yes you have to do your research and be prepared to fight and get as much help as you possibly can to help you fight all the steps you have to take to get there

Well done you xx