How many people feel they will lose pip once the new proposed minimum 4 points on at least one dl co

mags1234
mags1234 Online Community Member Posts: 10 Listener
edited June 20 in PIP, DLA, ADP and AA

With this new proposed eligibility needing at least 4 points in one daily living component section I am trying to see how many people feel thier benefits will be cut or stopped.

How many people feel they will lose pip once the new proposed minimum 4 points on at least one dl co 23 votes

Think I will be fine
43% 10 votes
Think I will get a cut in payment
8% 2 votes
Think I will lose my daily living award
47% 11 votes
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Comments

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,503 Championing
    edited June 20

    I was as concerned as anyone else, but am now more hopeful since Kendall mentioned 200,0000 to be ringfenced, that is not assessed again.

    One thing has been on my mind for a while now, and I refer to mental health.

    It had become fashionable for MPs to wax lyrical about mental heath having parity with physical health.

    We don't hear that now, what changed?

  • lhasalover
    lhasalover Online Community Member Posts: 55 Contributor

    I currently have more than 4 points in one question but um not holding out much hope as they could say different when it comes to being assessed again(it shouldnt as im always going to have this ailment but we all know what can happen in reviews

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 1,005 Championing
    edited June 20

    I saw on disability news service that there was talk about means testing it. As kendell as well keeps saying about getting people into work. Does she know that if you work you get it

    She is so blindsided with hate she feesl for the disabled people, she only cares that we lose it , no matter what. They don't care if we go into poverty, we live or die. It won't effect them and there lifestyle. It's also so Rachel reeves can use the money to mismanaged again and then she will target some others for her next money grab.

  • mags1234
    mags1234 Online Community Member Posts: 10 Listener

    alibongo51

    I also score 4 or more in at least one category but I am thinking the same as you. I again have had my health probs since age of 11 and it is getting worse and affecting my ability year on year but still feel the next thing they will do is try to underscore people.

  • mandymoo3469
    mandymoo3469 Online Community Member Posts: 12 Connected

    Benefits and work think they know who the unaffected will be and it looks like it's terminal cancer,any condition that fluctuates or could improve won't be on that list,that includes me,30 years of panic disorder with agoraphobia plus physical conditions but I think i will lose my pip totally,if it's means tested I will even lose the planning and following journeys as my husband has savings,I gave none and I will lose all my support, I feel I will lose my cbesa as well,it's looking pretty bleak,I can't apply for uc,because of his savings, it's lose lose 4 me and I seriously fo mot know how I am going to live,this has put a massive strain on our marriage because it's been going on for over a year with sunak now starmer

  • FredFlintstone
    FredFlintstone Online Community Member Posts: 55 Contributor

    Means testing would be absolutely despicable leaving many in total reliance on partners. I don't reckon they would have the support to get away with going that far. But with this lot, you never really know what they are going to do. Support for voting against is already gaining, so with luck they won't get the point rule through.

  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 915 Empowering

    I currently have 3x4point descriptors but I don’t feel safe at all. I have no trust in the system, the assessors or decision makers

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,503 Championing

    It probably doesn't help claiming Kendall hates disabled people, we have no evidence she does. She has the look of a 'true believer' about her, that might well border on the messianic. She doesn't see things as we do, unfortunately.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,743 Championing
    edited June 21

    This is my worst nightmare.

    https://youtu.be/KbQgc7qNLG0?si=N0yNzhKmtdY0cKQC 

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,743 Championing
    edited June 21

    38 points on DL with a cluster of 4s and over but I'll never feel safe. And now there's talk of means-tested again. I think I'll "un-live" before long. I've tried so hard but i just can't cope with all this. Take a look at YouTube

    https://youtu.be/KbQgc7qNLG0?si=N0yNzhKmtdY0cKQC 

  • Roughyed1485
    Roughyed1485 Online Community Member Posts: 73 Empowering

    In all honesty, I’m petrified and even know that I don’t get assessed against until 2027. It’s been really negatively impacting my mental health a great deal since the news broke of these illegal reforms. I can see if it leading to me not being able to live an independent life, it may also lead to me either back in a mental health unit or lead to me taking my own life. I’ve got no quality of life as it is now, what with all the mental and physical health conditions I battle each day, to all the medications I have to take four times a day just to get through it! I live a very quiet, private and reclusive non existence. I have no friends, no family and just have my own brain for company. The only main support I have is the scant contact I have with the GP or Mental Health Team. I’m fed up of just being in the waiting list for Counselling, Social Prescriber and Psychiatry. I fight the urge to self harm daily, my brain 🧠 is like cotton candy, I struggle to remember the simplest things thanks to Wuhan Plague. I’m just a shadow of my former self and find myself counting down the days until I’m no more, my funeral has been organised and is being paid for each month. I’m going to have to get the new forms when they come and fill them out with someone professional, I will try and find the questions online and then sit with my tablet and fill them out with very careful thought if my brain allows. I’ll just leave this post here as it’s stressing me out and I’m just exhausted from this heat and struggling to breathe at times due to either the heat or a family a street over having a fire in there back garden yesterday.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,743 Championing
  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,503 Championing
    edited June 20

    I am sorry to hear how you are struggling. I hope that the Labour MPs who were crying today, during the assisted dying debate; I hope they can find their hearts as readily for you.

  • Roughyed1485
    Roughyed1485 Online Community Member Posts: 73 Empowering

    I’m going to be open and honest alongside it may come across as brutal 😔

    I for one am petrified beyond belief and it’s hugely impacting my mental health. I have been told I won’t be reassessed until 2027. But my god, when you battle ADHD, ASD, BPD, Depression and Anxiety your brain is flying around faster than a Concorde compressor blade at Mach 2!


    Autism, Depression, Anxiety, ADHD, Borderline Personality Disorder, Osteoarthritis- Hips, Back Shoulders, Spastic Cerebral Palsy, Long Covid, Asthma, Acid & Bile Reflux, Eczema, Learning Difficulties, Neurological Disorders etc


    Gabapentin, Nefopam, Paracetamol, Mirtazapine, Lansoprazol, Sucralfate, Sennacot, Diazepam, Quetiapine, Ondansatron, Ibuprofen Gel, Finnic Easyhaler, Salamol Imhaler, Fexofenadine. - Both Daily and PRN Medications.

    I have to get dressed sat down, I shower, wash, shave, brush my teeth and cook sat on a stool, I have to use a stairlift to both answer the front door and to take rubbish out or head out for a medical appointment, I have to use a walking stick inside and outside of the house, I have grab rails installed, I have to have a frame around my toilet to aid me to stand, I have an intercom system in place, I have a Carelink system in place, I struggle to stand for a great period of time, my coordination and memory is shot to pieces, I have only left my flat once in the last four months, I have to clean my flat one room at a time, sometimes after doing cleaning I’m laid up with exhaustion for days on end.

    I can no longer walk at the speed I used to do, if I try I have to stop myself and have a word. Of course I get so angry with myself, at times I wish I was dead or disappointed at waking up each day. I stumble around the flat and quite a few times I’ve nearly fallen over.

    I sometimes sleep for over 12 hours, I worry about the smallest thing down to the most minute details, I don’t have any confidence whatsoever, I am but an empty and numb vessel like a powerless ship in a raging storm with no sign of any light.

    I can’t make peace with my mental and physical disabilities, at heart I’m still the same man who used to be a gardener, a support worker and used to be able to go walking and camping or attend music events.

    Or the man that had a wife, friends and a family.

    But alas all that’s gone for I’m now alone in this world, I’m now a Service User, in a flat that feels like a prison cell, I never speak to anybody on the phone.

    I know for a certainty that if cuts happen in 2027 to my income it will negatively impact me being able to lead an independent life, it will have massive consequences for my mental health and will 100% lead to me taking my own life, I just hope that I succeed that time after failing in 2020. I’m now paying for a non attendance cremation service, in 2027 it will become active and I’ll be scattered in an unknown cemetery in Derby far from my home town and my loved ones.

    The Labour Government are going against our Human Rights and discriminating against out disabled rights and freedoms. To them our voices, our point of view, opinions and our existence are but a blight on the economy and country.

  • durhamjaide2001
    durhamjaide2001 Scope Member Posts: 14,443 Championing

    I currently get the highest rate for Daily Living and transport so think I am going to be fine until the next time they do the review even then I don't think mine will stop.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,743 Championing
  • JessieJ
    JessieJ Online Community Member Posts: 1,004 Trailblazing

    I'm not sure, but will find out in a few months as I have just received my review papers, to be in beginning of July, for Feb '26. There are changes to add, so who knows how it will go. 😶 I've only recently completed my UC review. Jeez, it's like being in a pressure cooker! 🤯

  • sben
    sben Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 96 Contributor

    I have already lost everything.

  • Trevor_PIP
    Trevor_PIP Online Community Member Posts: 408 Empowering
  • Trevor_PIP
    Trevor_PIP Online Community Member Posts: 408 Empowering

    I will lose my PIP if the 4 point rule goes through! Thankfully I got a long award and there is still 5 years to go...