Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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I'm more Guinness than genius!
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I have not made assumptions and I have not said the increase is fraudsters. The fact remains the increases since the pandemic have never been seen before and it is to many claiming benefits to the point that the total bill is now unaffordable. Everything I have typed in the post you have replied to is fact and can easily be read on the internet. The total cost is £**** billion and unsustainable. This has been discussed numerous times by experts and I thought everyone would know.
People have paid into the state pension for 35 years while they worked, the state pension is not in this discussion, as it should be affordable. It is the total cost of PIP now that is unaffordable and unsustainable.
Young people clearly don't care who knows what they do or are on. I know they are on LCWCA but I only know their first names.
What are you talking about cutting support from what? I have not suggested anything about cutting support.
When I have discussed ill health benefits I am on about all ill health benefits including UC. Even the DWP think UC is fleeced as they have employed 1,000 investigators and checking claimants bank accounts. This has all been on the news and discussed on the internet. Starmer has shouted about it for months too. They said the fraud on PIP is small, yet numerous are in court accused of milking tens of thousands and can run marathons like one lady. I don't believe their figure.
The fact remains the total bill for all benefits is now unaffordable and unsustainable and changes have to be made, I can accept that. To increase taxes on working people will backfire on Reeves as working people have had enough and she has been warned. Working people want something done about it too, but not at the expense of the disabled. You don't have to earn that much now to be paying 40% tax, the tax thresholds have not been increased, it is getting to a point it does not pay to have a job when nearly half your earnings is gone in tax then there are all the other deductions... Sod that, no wonder there are more claiming benefits....
Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion, and I hope you don't have any hassle over your claim. I am not going to reply again, it is clear we are not going to agree on this area. I just want disabled people to have a good benefit system without a cruel process. Cheers.
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If this is directed at me, I have investigated everything I have typed on this forum. It is all on the internet to read. The fact remains the total bill for benefits is now unaffordable and unsustainable and changes need to be made, I can accept that. I don't trust Reeves and she will go a lot further when she gets the nod. £5 billion is not a big saving in the overall scheme of things. A shame it has got to this but the increase in claims on PIP alone are unprecedented and unaffordable and you can't take more tax off working people. Reeves has been warned about that already. We'll have to see how it goes!
I won't be replying again, we clearly don't agree on this area.
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A very stable genius even.
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Who will count as disabled? Worth a read:
https://substack.com/inbox/post/167063179?r=5yck4b&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true&triedRedirect=true
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@chiarieds I do agree, I did report my own post, inviting scope staff to delete if they think I went too far in my reply, and to avoid further comments on it, have put him on ignore, so I dont get dragged in on this subject, I should have just moved on.
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not yet
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Well, there are down sides to bipolar disorder and I to be honest I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy!. I have had two nervous breakdowns because of it, and been made homeless twice!, but, NOT on the street as I am very lucky and I come from a lovely family we are all blood related, but its very sad for me as NOT one of them suffers with bipolar disorder!. I have always felt the black sheep of the family because of it!. The ONLY person in my family that had bipolar was my deceased great aunt Win and I can't exactly talk to her!. I am going to go to a self help group run by my favourite charity Bipolar U.K!. Our CEO is Simon Kitchen and when I leave this world I am going to donate a large piece of my money to Bipolar U.K. At my very worst I am in a darkened room for hours asleep, hardly being able to feed myself, not going out to see any one and wishing I really really wasn't in this world!. The stable times are the best as I feel half normal then lol!. Then theres the high times I then feel I am superwoman and I can conquer the world!. Many people with bipolar become famous writers as we have a vivid imagination and high creative skills.
I am writing all this as I WANT to spread awareness of bipolar disorder!, at the moment I am feeling VERY GOOD and VERY WELL. I am NOT here to patronize, or critsise people in society as at the end of the day I am only a person with a heartbeat that is trying to do her best for people in this sometimes difficult, distressing, mixed up world we live in!. So, please don't take any of this personally as I am only trying to explain my illness. I do have Bipolar U.K and there are many people in my home town that have bipolar unfortunately bless their hearts and I send them my love!
I have my own language business, and you will find a LOT of people with bipolar are Entrepreneurs!. We can ONLY work in certain environments you see! We can do library work, therapist jobs, gardening, cleaning, accountancy. Jobs where we have a small team and are left to our own devices as bipolar is a stress related disease, so please don't put too much stress on us! . We are above average intelligence and Sir Winston Churchill had bipolar he called it the black dog! I am lucky because I have NO addictions, I don't smoke, I hardly drink, only once a week on a saturday night!, I have never done drugs in my life either. My parents have been married 56 years and I come from a stable and fairly loving family. So when I hear someone say oh she must of got bipolar from being on drugs its NOT true! as my younger brother says I am a goody two shoes!, I am a trained teacher after all. I am not allowed a criminal record and I have never done drugs!. At school I was a total swot head!, I did really well for myself yet I felt very sad and isolated as I have had bipolar since I was 10 years old!. I was a child of the 1970's and 1980's I was a thatchers child. We had no mobile phones and no internet when I was a child and we had no awareness of disabilites!. There was no dyslexia, autism, bipolar, border line personality specialists and we were given a slap on the back and told to just get on with it! My nephew Oliver is very lucky, as today they call them cotton wall kids and they have all the help under the sun bless them. I hope my post has spread some awareness as I am NOT here to offend anyone either. Thankyou if you take the time to read this. Take care everyone on this site as we live in difficult times, god bless you all much love xxxx
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says the government parrot
You are sold lies, many other European countries are having the same problem with sickness. And they are saying the same argument this government is saying when it comes to young people.
All ignoring we have gone through a pandemic, with a virus that none understand and has been allowed to run through the population unchecked and people are getting continuously reinfected.
You have done no research you are just a parrot
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As a % of GDP, the UK government is spending the same amount on working-age benefits as it was in 2015. This stands at around 5% and is not projected to change by 2030. This is because we have seen deep cuts to benefits like Universal Credit alongside the increase in people claiming health and disability benefits.
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I meant todays children are called cotton wool kids, sorry lol!
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As a % of GDP, the UK government is spending the same amount on working-age benefits as it was in 2015. This stands at around 5% and is not projected to change by 2030. This is because we have seen deep cuts to benefits like Universal Credit alongside the increase in people claiming health and disability benefits.
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Just popped up on my phone . If any can post the whole article would appreciate
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Hi Lovely
Its all so confusing.
I can't flipping keep up.
I been trying to avoid the news etc as I know it will make me ill again.
Take care. X
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Hi luvpink,
I know what you mean . With ME any stress makes it worse and really we’ve all felt this since Sunak green paper. I haven’t eaten properly since then not that I ate much before . Let’s hope he either gives some good concessions today or better still it’s all voted down 🤞. Take care ❤️
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It's difficult to know what the Telegraph intends when it writes a story like that, given it's the same paper which last year gave readers a calculator to work out how much of their 'hard earned' tax was going to those not in work.
I think we should be paying more attention to the people who are trying to claim PIP legitimately but who are stuck in reviews, at MR, rejected for no real reason. I think that should be a bigger topic of conversation in this overall government debate. We'll officially call these 'errors', but they are errors with consequences, both for the tax-payer and the claimant. It's surprising to me that there is nothing in the bill mandating better scrutiny, objective DWP regulation and such to prevent these 'errors' from taking place.
And nobody has calculated the saving that would be gleaned from fewer unnecessary appeals and tribunals, either.
I wonder how much could be saved if the DWP carried out its own assessments with trained staff, rather than outsourcing to overstretched assessment companies who are not able to provide adequately trained assessors for the conditions in question.
It's sad to keep seeing the "1000 people a day are joining PIP" parrot rhetoric when we all know - or should know - that there's never a case of 100% applicants being awarded PIP without being bogged down in these issues. Even if all those 1000 claimants are genuine, which they might well be. I've also seen no indication of whether all these claimants are new, or whether some of them are those who, like me, went through a tribunal and then had their review treated as a new claim.
Another statistical consideration is that every year a % of children age up to 16. 16 is the migration age from DLA to PIP. So among that 1000 are probably many children who have claimed DLA and now need to be migrated. Having had conversations with parents stuck in this system and feeling helpless, I will guarantee you that none of those are easy or automatic processes either.There are always red flags when people talk about a number - and quote it - and then misquote it, but don't interrogate what it means. And herein lies the biggest problem with the bill - and some people's interpretations of it.
I hope the bill will be scrapped though I think it unlikely that will happen now. But let's see what happens. If nothing else, the government have been made to realise that disabled people are not the easy target they might have been ten years ago - and that public opinion is beginning to shift in the direction of disability cuts will harm our society (including the NHS). I find that hopeful, as it means there are more people genuinely making themselves aware of the situation, rather than believing the stuff they read on social media.
If you have an MP who was on the amendment, I think it's worth emailing them continued concerns about the bill even as it currently stands. We need a bill where it is understood that not all the 'reform' has to come from disabled people losing out, but also better regulation, guidance and enforcement of employer responsibilities as well.3 -
No it isn't "sensitive overload" at all.
It was an attempt to ridicule me and if you keep it up, I will report you.
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