Dignity For Disabled People To live Not Just Survive

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  • Littlefatfriend
    Littlefatfriend Online Community Member Posts: 207 Empowering

    Cheers Ranald

    I can only see the first paragraph or so as I'm not a Guardian reader/member.

    My first question would be "People with disabilities (I'm an incorrigible pedant)? According to whose/which definition of disability?"

    My second would reflect my belief that dignity is a frame of mind, not often something which other people could give to me and certainly not something they could take from me. That's in my mind, nobody else's decision.

    As far as I can see, politicians are in an impossible position at this stage. Nobody wants to pay more tax but almost everyone wants more of/from the state. Media companies are only selling adverts and justifying a licence fee with viewing figures. It seems to me complicated for people to blame them for what people watch and how they react to it. We can always turn them off or leave.

    When I've worked we always had to adapt and improve in order to make money. We're all in competition one way or another. I prefer that to communism and there aren't many other options.

    😺

  • JF7891
    JF7891 Scope Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    You should be able to just click off the banner, everyone can read the guardian in full for free, albeit without some articles which you wouldn't be able to see at all I think. I don't pay for the guardian, and I read the whole article like so many others for 10 years going now.

  • Littlefatfriend
    Littlefatfriend Online Community Member Posts: 207 Empowering

    20 Guardian articles a month is the free limit online JF7891.

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  • Bluebell21
    Bluebell21 Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 13,123 Championing

    Thank you for sharing this article @Ranald Interesting read.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,374 Championing
    edited July 15
  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,374 Championing

    Just read over 700 comments after this article, and it makes some depressing reading.

    It used only to be the DM readership who declared we got a 'free car' for having spots or tennis elbow!

    What has happened to us?

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,701 Championing
    1. I think people assume that every disabled person claims/ qualifies for PIP, UC, CB-ESA.
    2. People assume that claimants can never be taxpayers.
    3. People cannot or will not grasp that some disabilities are too overwhelming to enable even the lightest work.
    4. The jauntiness of disability charities: "You can live well with Multiple X Syndrome."
    5. Highly privileged disabled people whose family wealth bought them lucrative positions. I cite the late Iain Cameron.
    6. The 20 year striver vs scrounger narrative, aided by politicians of all mainstream parties.
    7. The constant lies about who is entitled to what, engaged in by the current government and politicians. Eg. PIP for acne, leading to a "free" car.

    The narrative against use is moving faster.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,374 Championing

    I once heard an eldery woman on the bus, she was indignant about us getting free petrol! She then moaned about 'migrants' getting free shopping out of Tesco.

    The things people believe, eh?

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing

    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,813 Championing4:49AM

    Just read over 700 comments after this article, and it makes some depressing reading.

    It used only to be the DM readership who declared we got a 'free car' for having spots or tennis elbow!

    What has happened to us?

    Ranald, I don't think it's reasonable for me to have an extra £250 a week as Scope is advocating on behalf of disabled people. I don't think this blanket 'need' helps the community one bit.

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 1,002 Championing

    Ignorance is so powerful, I just had to fight my leg to do what should be a simple thing like taking out the rubbish, and the pain is unreal right now, but others cant see pain, they not with you around the clock, so they just dont know the life.
    Like you said people wrongfully think the qualifying criteria is also the criteria for being disabled.
    People thinking the 4 point rule would put an end to 'PIP cars', and that it would only affect the so called mental skivers, and no one with "real" disabilities.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,701 Championing

    What if it was paid to all and then taxed as income? The poorest would have needs met. Some, myself included, would pay more income tax. Others would have it all clawed back via HMRC.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,701 Championing

    Perhaps she meant food banks in supermarkets.

    Yes, people will believe anything about people on benefits. People think I get a lot of free stuff. I don't because my benefits are not means-tested.

    I constantly remind people that we all pay for our Blue Badges and our parking. Blue Badge does not equal free parking unless it's free anyway. And it's amazing how pleased the same people can be to have me with them when they need to dash somewhere in their cars.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing
    edited July 16


    Zipz
     Online Community Member Posts: 2,525 Championing7:15PM

    What if it was paid to all and then taxed as income? The poorest would have needs met. Some, myself included, would pay more income tax. Others would have it all clawed back via HMRC

    Zipz, DWP doesn't really think I deserve even my basic allowance! I have been persecuted by them for so long that frankly, I'm just grateful to have survived.

    UC has changed everything for working-age claimants, disabled or not since it launched on 1st April 2013. A permanent £20 uplift to UC should have been campaigned for instead of extra money for claimants with incapacity premiums who were always going to be moved onto the new system. That's something the Public Law Project certainly knew when it took on that legal challenge.

    I'm used to just about managing. Jobseekers are going to be rewarded for doing more than me and I don't have a problem with that.

    *launched half-baked

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,374 Championing

    I almost always agree with you, but it is an opinion piece only, no worries.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,701 Championing

    I hauled my bin a short distance today and I'm nearly screaming my head off.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing

    Oh I'm criticising Scope not Frances Ryan and certainly not you!!

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,374 Championing

    Lol, i knew you weren't having a go at your pal, Ranald, especially as I stuck up for you the other day, and got a telling off;-)

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing

    It was only yesterday mate 😆 has it been a long day?

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,374 Championing

    Well i have had an eventful day on here, and i will say no more about it!