What are your concerns about a potential Digital ID?

Albus_Alumni

There's been some talk on the community regarding the governments potential plans to roll out a digital ID and this is something we're keen to get your feedback on.

As everything is a hypothetical right now, we won't be answering any questions, as no one really knows right now and there are no actual plans in place. But we'd love to get your feedback on this, as we have a voice and will be able to use it.

So, what concerns you about a potential digital ID scheme?

Catherine21

Im firmly against it when do conspiracy theories become facts because I see alot if things playing out i believe we will lose all freedom and starver the one to implement it with joy we are losing our rights on a daily basic the thought of it disturbs me deeply for my daughter her life her future im glad I dont have grandkids

alexroda

I would encourage anyone to read the following article:

https://democracyforsale.substack.com/p/tony-blair-larry-ellisons-man-in

and do a search on Larry Ellison.

The digital ID scheme must be stopped.

“Ellison has publicly spoken of his desire to obtain NHS data -- the last great trove of information not already fed into AI models, which independent experts value at up to £10bn annually.”

He spoke a few months ago about it too. Starmer is selling this country to the Americans technocrats for peanuts via Blair, a prime minister ruled by evil.

Santosha12

All I've seen so far is an inability for anybody to keep data safe (NHS/M & S/Coop/JLR etc etc). All we now need is data breaches/cyber attacks on banking/DWP etc, and we're doomed! I will not be signing up for Digital ID, whatever the consequences.

The National Security Strategy I read yesterday made for dire reading. If Digital ID is supposed to stop illegal immigration I'd love to know how, I don't believe it will for one moment.

geckobat

Also, respectfully, the assumption that Digital ID is just like having a Tesco card or that the government have lots of data on us already so it's just the same (which I've seen and heard many people saying)… is very naive and missing the reality of this.

When there are also people who have lived in and come from very controlling regimes in other countries saying this is the basis of such regimes and we should be concerned, I think we should heed their warnings.

Biblioklept

Right now, on the surface level it sounds okay BUT I have huge future concerns about the powers it can give them and how it disproportionately impacts disabled and lower income people and can and will be used as a means of control

I'm lso concerned about:

-Digital exclusion and what that means for those who can't due to disability, financial or other reasons use an app or digital ID

-Increased control and data gathering of government systems and how they could be used and applied

For example, you protest against them, they can remove your income, access to your banks and money, restrict your travel or anything they want

OR as we've already seen with benefits, they use it as justification to remove, lower, change systems based on whatever they decide to spin any data as

I'm not naive enough to think the digital world doesn't already contain everything about me, of course it does, the idea of our government having control over all of it in one place, to use as they please, I don't get why anyne would be happy with it.

They're not exactly trustworthy and have a history of misusing, mishandling, leaking or selling our data already

Autumnleaf

I am totally against it. It is an infringement of civil liberties! Agree with above concerns. The whole justification sounds like nothing more than a phoney excuse to me. For years now we have had to show passports or other photographs ID to rent anywhere or get a job, etc.

Also smart phones need regular security updates, which means they are only safely usable for a few years. Nobody helps or explains these security issues with the majority of users, before insisting they use these phones for absolutely everything!

Catherine21

Shock horror starmer announced Digital ID will be mandatory for people on benefits how to escape or get out of this ?? I really really dont want to sign up for this

Rosie_Scope

Where did you read this @Catherine21? At the moment I can only see quotes where Keir Starmer has said that digital ID may be beneficial if moved out into other areas, but not that it is definitely happening.

Catherine21

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1073819#Comment_1073819

Oh ok I read after his visit to India probley click bait then I hope so !! So many worries and the rise of Reform fills me with dread but one day at a time

Rosie_Scope

He's definitely exploring options and hearing how India's system has been used @Catherine21 but I don't think anything has been confirmed about whether it will be used for benefits over here from what I could see. We'll keep an eye out for any further announcements ☺️

Catherine21

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1073822#Comment_1073822

This scares ne more than anything

Catherine21

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1073858#Comment_1073858

I done a phone claim on uc im getting a bulk standard phone god the thought of being controlled i would be shutdown immediately

Catherine21

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1073858#Comment_1073858

This is the biggest threat to us all he pushing ahead fast! They know his ratings so low i can see people in shock cant believe that didnt go through parliament alot of people quoting The Equality Act saying he cant do this as we know from experience how he does what he wants thier feeling how we did with all they hit us with which is not over for us i did read some things on pip but wont say until confirmed how do we navigate this Digital ID I think thier ahead thats why pushed uc as thats Digital everything was for 2029 seems by 2027 f

Zipz

@MW123 The digital infrastructure is in place. Nonetheless, so many people of all walks of life are against a Digital ID that there may be a few hiccups getting the Bill through.

I note there's no need for people to carry/ produce the Digital ID. I'd buy the cheapest extra phone and leave it in a drawer turned off.

Andi66

There saying benefits , hmrc, schools etc.This is insane. I'm going to get a old phone type. So many companies getting hacked. It's like a dystopian world we are living in under this tyrant.

Catherine21

Yh that's what im going to do

Catherine21

Honestly I agree

Catherine21

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1073858#Comment_1073858

TheThe good law project fantastic such respect for the work they do im going to set up 10 monthly payments I do that with john pring I joined corybn membership thier having few hiccups but yes Google this and if many sign if they say no to digital ID

Catherine21

Dont know where to post this Albus if anyone interested

brianh

Other than excessive government control, the obvious issue is data security. The systems are going to have an interface for the verification, they will be a prime target for attack. Only this week the company discord was using for data verification has been breached and data for 70000 people obtained.