Autism and mental health are fake?

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  • IrishManc
    IrishManc Online Community Member Posts: 112 Empowering

    as a gay man myself, I find that what helps me when I can’t go to sleep, aside from my Paddington Bear and my other teddy bears, is to dream about my blond muscle hunk bodyguard/rugby player - I find travelling on the overnight ferries from Holyhead to Dublin (3 hours) really stressful and frankly, I’d rather do the ferry from Liverpool to Dublin (8 hours) as I find the coach journey from Manchester to Holyhead really tiring - one can’t really relax on the overnight train from Manchester to Holyhead as it involves changing trains at opposite ends of Chester station with only 6 mins to change trains with a heavy suitcase, a real assault course

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 792 Championing
    edited March 13

    Not sure if you're asking me or Kali, but yes in my head I have full blown conversations and arguments with people that I know, I'll also be explaining myself over and over and over again as I keep feeling like I'm not properly making the point I want to make or that I'm finding it difficult to explain myself properly, it's exhausting but can be so hard to stop and resist the urge.

    Are you on medication for your ADHD, Catherine?

  • Kali85
    Kali85 Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    If someone has upset me I would keep replaying it in my head, in all different scenarios, like in a way that it went better and they weren’t nasty, was just nice day, I didn’t feel awkward or anxious, then in a way where I actually stood up for myself for once and I say all the things that I’ve wanted to say, every single thing that’s **** me off about that person, the built up rage really comes out, how I have treated them so much better, I could go for days to weeks keep thinking about this same scenario over and over

    I have always struggled to articulate my feelings or emotions, everything sounds better when it’s said in my head, I find its easier to try and write what I want to say down, as I can read it go back and change bits usually change loads bits and rewrite it until I read it and it sounds like point I wanted to make.
    Just trying to have conversations with someone I find I always go off my point, I end up talking round in circles and repeating myself and I forget what my point was. I think verbal communication problems I have with people is why I feel so drained after just visiting family member or a friend, and also masking symptoms around people it’s exhausting, they call that “burn out” also anytime I do visit someone I then go home and I replay that visit over and over in my head with different scenarios, any kind of social interaction I replay it over and over. I have been keeping myself to my lil bubble for a while, just avoiding any stress. But I am hoping when I do visit someone that these meds will help so I don’t do the whole replay scenarios in my head on loop.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,415 Championing

    Totally relate god the rage i could read people so well to well so every body movement change in tone i detect so at work with same people day in day out is a nightmare especially if they irate me bully me belittle me was one boss oh i took months of bullying she mentally broke me i snapped now this is the side of bpd adhd that is not nice i went off sick for a long time that they wanted rid of me bearing in mind been there years under diffrent managment i cant remember if i left the job who that ended but i got hyperfixated on her and went on a campain i had complete breakdown i was calling office leaving messages all round the clock i couldnt stop hoe long this went on for i cant remember i got arresseted and yes i never umderstood burnout so i always felt guilty but burnout is real and so so Draining let us know how you keep progressing on meds really good to hear

  • Kali85
    Kali85 Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    I literally look for patterns in everything, as I am observant of people I notice when people do something out of character and then I know they have done something bad or aren’t being truthful with me, like I can tell when they are lying because of body language or acting out of character. It’s deeply frustrating though as people will always gas light me, which triggers me big time and I will lash out and then I’m left with consequences and I look like a psycho! It’s even more hurtful knowing that person would rather gas light me instead of telling the truth! I don’t understand why people lie there is no need to.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,415 Championing

    Like being a human lie Detector its impossible for me to lie i overshare everything my daughter used to tug my hand at bus stops supermarkets my daughter used to say do you know them id be like no why lol so the story as today is why i totally isolated for 14 years im such a calm person when i have no real ties with society a fact i had to accept so all this pathways to work so triggering as i wont be able to adjust relationships always been a hard one for me as i was always looking for reasons for the person to leave me id interigate people and then feel so much shame people who never lived with adhd and bpd and cptsd brain have no idea how impacting it is on every aspect of daily life it robs you off so many things

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,415 Championing

    But so positive to hear your journey

  • Kali85
    Kali85 Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    I over share too, wish I didn’t but I do, I always over explain myself, like if I have to cancel plans, or cannot attend something, because I over explain people think I am lying! If I talk about my physical health people think I am lying because I over explain, I share every last detail. I really don’t lie and it frustrates me when people assume I am. I have a deep fear of abandonment so I always think people are going to leave me, or don’t like me it’s like my brain is self sabotaging myself it’s hard work fighting against it, anytime I feel myself spirally or hyper focused on something toxic I try telling myself to just shut up, thoughts keep coming back and I say “No”and I just keep trying to ignore them and try distracting myself

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,415 Championing

    I overshare when i was with my ex he used to say before any fuction works Do he would say dont tell everyone everything ...... at 54 i dont make any comitmemts i used to knowing i wouldnt go on the day and im fine with that now last time i went out out was 14 years ago i really have no desire which is good

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,415 Championing

    Ps on the flip side if someone tells me a secret there would be noting that would let me tell it even if we fell out thats one thing about me my word is my hounour have a lovely day

  • Kali85
    Kali85 Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    Yeah that’s same as me, I’m ridiculously loyal, it’s like I am following a code of ethics, in my head, like a whole list of correct life etiquette, ticking boxes in my head as I go along. I’m always sticking to my morals, high standards always being kind and considerate to others. I actually find with my life that if I just stay home and avoid most people my normal constant everyday struggles with being neurodivergent are practically none existent, I still have struggles with my brain, just feels a lot easier when I stay at home in my bubble. Unfortunately anytime I have to step out into real world it highlights and worsens everything, I hate how cruel and nasty the world can be, I hate rude, inconsiderate and selfish people that think they are entitled to consume everything in their path with no thought or consideration for others.

  • TheManFromLondon
    TheManFromLondon Online Community Member Posts: 26 Contributor

    Autism is a formally recognized medical diagnosis.

    Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-5-TR), published by the American Psychiatric Association, includes Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) as a defined condition.

    The DSM-5-TR is one of the primary diagnostic manuals used by clinicians and researchers worldwide. It sets out specific diagnostic criteria, traits, and symptoms that doctors use to identify and diagnose conditions.

    So claiming that autism, or the traits associated with it, is “fake” effectively dismisses the clinical framework used to diagnose not only autism but many other recognized mental health and neurodevelopmental conditions described in the DSM.

    If someone wants to debate the science, they should start by reading the actual clinical references used by professionals.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,415 Championing

    Exactly the same as me when im home with my dogs im in control i relate to everything you say once i have to be around people everything goes wrong bad trumatic so so overwelming i have rage fear panic attacks meltdowns major burnout say id have an appointment in the day i just cant leave the house noting will make me leave to go out its draining i cry alot about how the world is i honestly feel the earths pain it hurts me so much so funny when someone writes and its exactly like me like wow someone who gets it

  • Kali85
    Kali85 Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    I love that, “feel the earths pain” exactly how I feel, I hate all suffering and misery in the world, also I can’t even handle the natural order of things, like I can’t watch nature programs, I always feel deeply hurt for whatever animals are the prey, when I drive anywhere I can’t cope with seeing animals been run over I burst out with tears and it sends me spiralling into depression, I just think how scary or painful that must be for that animal! I know it’s part of life, and order of food chain etc but I really struggle, I really don’t think I got right mind set to live in such a cruel world, nobody understands my raw emotions. I love all animals, I prefer them to people 😅

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,415 Championing

    Me too ! Its a curse sometimes because as you said its a real raw feeling when i was younger i would try to help everyone i even remember from a young age puttings peoples feeling before my own i was placed into care and i was forever trying to help save people was awful as in those situations you have to learn to survive so that is where the masking comes in pretending to be tough and witness things you never should have is incredibly painful i cant remember much about my life as ive dissocated alot and im unpacking it all know with a psychtrist and awaiting truma therapy god pls excuse my spelling thats getting worse but i remember first boyfriend left me for best friend i thought i was dying inside its like grief and been married twice the end of any relationships in my life has been so so trumatic for me i would literally go out of my mind even if i knew they was so good for me my whole world stopped i cant explain the pain everyone around would say pull yourself togeather get a grip so im understanding that the isolation part im happy with as i cannot go through all that again i cannot trust myself what do you do when the whole structure of society triggers you and tbh this pathways to work and all talks of reforms has really opended a can of worms for me i know i mask well but thats what it is and behind it is a very scared broken person im holding a mirror to myself digging deep but i have no skills in the real world people that dont have these illnesses will never understand how deep they can go but i will say for today i am safe noting bads happening to me and i watched the monks walk for hope and he said say to yourself todays my peaceful day and no one can ruin that but myself oh me to i love love love animals if i won the lotto id love to rescue but for sure id be in tears if they got ill x

  • IrishManc
    IrishManc Online Community Member Posts: 112 Empowering

    This was my thoughts initially when I first found these articles, one of which (shockingly) was by an autistic author in Singapore and in his email response, he sent me another link along the same lines, arguing that autistic people “should not” get involved in activism to seek a better deal for autistic people nor should seek support for themselves, which totally went against my own sense of morality and ethical moral values - after reading through the comments on this thread and elsewhere online before my original post, I’ve got the strong sense that people who think in these terms of “refusing to understand” our conditions simply want to justify and make easy excuses for why people with mental health issues and hidden disability issues like autism (in their opinion) “should not” be properly supported in meaningful ways nor should they attempt to seek such support for themselves - but what does that say about a supposedly caring and civilised society underpinned by Christian ethical and moral principles?

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 1,375 Championing

    Theres always going to be people mainly government of any kind who will say these things and haven't a clue about the condition like Tice and Robert Kennedy jnr in the US. They do it for headlines and don't care about the people themselves who have to live with the condition. Myself I was diagnosed late with autism, my daughter was 14 and has bpd.

    I get people saying your too autistic, when I say the wrong thing or don't understand. Or that I use it for excuse which I dont. I coped all the time before I was assessed. Which they never knew me before.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 509 Connected

    I used to tell everyone everything, and it's bit me on the you know what several times so I don't tell nobody anything they don't NEED to know.

    I became more social media savvy because I pretty much had to.

  • Kali85
    Kali85 Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    I put other peoples feelings before my own too, its led to me being treated like a door mat. I have had to adjust myself over years to protect myself to avoid nasty people, otherwise they just use me, constantly take, take, take and treat me like ****, never understood it as I’d think I have helped them soo much, I care so much, but they don’t care and they definitely don’t respect me, they are genuinely enjoying the process, manipulation, control abuse, it’s happened my whole life and it would break my heart and make me think it has to be me! As it keeps happening to me, so it must be me? Nope!! Now I am older and i understand what it is, there is real evil in the world, and they are attracted to our broken souls.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,415 Championing

    Me too same as ive got older i pull the Draw brige as my dad said have you heard of karl jung hes work blows my mind all about empaths and real psycholical aspects that i can relate to so much sorry Draw Bridge and lock those gates