Resolution Foundation - Should One In Six Working Age PIP Claimants Lose Cash?
Better targeting of support could shave £4.4bn from the PIP bill, and would affect 670,000 working age PIP claimants, who have no extre costs associated with their disability.
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Better support would be fantastic but I wonder how difficult it would be to implement? Is it even really feasible?
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The important thing i took from that article, was the Resolution Foundation recognising there is a problem, but proposing better targeted support, rather than just recommending cuts to the number of claimants.
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I guess that's a good first step. It'll be interesting to see what is implemented.
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One In Six Working Age PIP Claimants can't 'lose' cash they've never been given!
Under 25s should not be excluded from disability benefits because they're under 25! Taking it away from existing claimants because they're under 25 should be unthinkable.
Means-test PIP instead to cut the bill. Child Benefit is now means-tested for household incomes up to £80k (which nobody complains about) and savings could be made there. These kids won't afford the aids and adaptations they need never mind build savings if this goes ahead.
Ps who really becomes an adult at 18? Some mature more slowly and are no less deserving of additional financial support to make their lives easier just because they are under 25. Where is the uproar about the under 25s when PIP cuts are mentioned? I don't understand it.
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I would be very interested in understanding how they decide who has "no extra costs associated with their disability", I can't think of any disability that would not impact how someone lives or costs associated with it.
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That's shocking and surely illegal / discriminatory?
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Surely it is? Originally under consideration for the under 22s, this is now extended to the under 25s.
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In my opinion, it would be far better to give targeted support to someone with low level disabilities, rather than simply giving them several hundred pounds, but they remain Isolated at home.
I will have been in receipt of state benefits for 17 years by next Spring, and it has been absolutely soul destroying. I spent the first 4 years knocking on doors, asking for help; there was none to be found. The DEA at the local job centre, she told me I should just adjust to living on my ESA and DLA as was, they were little more than a signing on point!
The only 'help' I managed to access, it was simply a supervised job search with one of those private companies the government are so keen on shoveling money at. A complete waste of time.
I for one hope that real, practical help is coming for NEETS and low level disabled people, although I'm not optimistic, based on past performance.
I wasn't a wheelchair user at the start of this business, any support for me was required back in 2010, I don't expect any help with my situation now, sadly.
[Edited to change "MH problems" to "disabilities". It wasn't my intention to single out one particular group]
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Denying benefits to someone who needs them is not support. Neither is denying someone benefits because they are under 25 "real, practical help".
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Wonderful!! I am 43 which is of working age, I have Autism, ASD and ADHD. Yet again we are being targeted, and I have limited capability to work. But if they start telling me that I am to lose my benefits and must return to work, then I will end up in a mental health unit or worse.
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if it becomes reality I know what course of action I will take…..
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You aren't at a low level of disability? I certainly don't consider myself as such. A think tank can propose what they like, it might never survive contact with reality going forward.
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Yes, definitely worth keeping in mind that these kinds of articles aren't a reflection of actual government policy yet, just proposals and ideas that may never happen. We're still waiting on the final Timms review for PIP and the Alan Milburn report on young people. Those will give us an indication on the direction things might go, so hopefully we hear more about that soon.
Proper support might be good for some people, but it needs to be a genuine net positive on their lives. I think that might be difficult to do in practicality, but we will have to see if anything like this comes into fruition!
These kinds of articles can be so disheartening sometimes @Rag_793, but from the latest PIP report updates, it doesn't sound like they'll be forcing people into work if they're not able to. As others have said, I don't think someone with your level of needs would be a target for these kinds of proposals. It sounds like they are trying to support those with milder needs who might benefit from engaging with other services or having a slightly different approach. From all I've read so far, cash awards are still likely to remain the foundation for PIP, especially for those with complex needs.
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exactly ! How do you even begin to do that ? And let’s face it individualised and holistic assessments are totally beyond any government or NHS capability at present.
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A) PIP isn’t a ‘benefit’ or wasn’t when it was still DLA - it was a compensation allowance in recogntion that society has designed and continues in new and more subtle ways not just ramps, a world that excludes us.
B) I have mentioned before the DISASTER of removing the words DISABILITY -and- LIVING - ALLOWANCE
and changing the philosophical and social meaning by using PERSONAL - instead of disabilty we are disabled people a group of citizens and not just individuals - until we have total equal playing field - then it’s NOT an INDEPENDENCE PAYMENT ! Is an alowance for cost of exclusion ! Any idea it should be means tested failed logic unless we think of it as if it were a choice to be severely impaired !
If society wants to be honest at least call it state charity for ‘cripples’ - and only the deserving ‘cripples’ and not the undeserving. At least that’s honest2 -
If this reporrt is accurate, then not all mildly disabled people have extra costs associated with their condition. Perhaps helping them Into work would be more beneficial to them?
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ChrisR777, I'm interested in your thoughts on something WhatThe said. She's arguing that denying someone PIP isn't support in itself and that being under 25 shouldn't be a reason to take away someone's benefits. How do you think that fits with your idea of replacing financial support with practical help?
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Wrong! This is what I wrote:
Under 25s should not be excluded from
disability benefitsbecausethey're under 25! Taking it away from existing claimantsbecausethey're under 25 should be unthinkable.2
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