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JGM

Dose it make you angry that other people were born normal but you were born with a disability?I used to go to a facility for "Care In The Community" mental patients,a law student volunteered to work there one summer,she was in a wheel chair,she was born a cripple,I saw an idiot in a wheel chair on telly a couple of days ago,he was born normal,but he was doing stupid stunts on a B.M.X. bike like you see on You've Been Framed and he crippled himself,he's got no one but himself to blame,but,Amy, was born a cripple,I asked her if she felt bitter other people could walk and she couldn't,'t,she said she thought walking was "over rated", she was quite happy in her wheelchair,I feel angry,I hate life,I hate being I'll,and people hate me,everybody who has a job hates people on benefit,they resent paying tax,The Daily Mail tells them we're all fairing it because benefits are so generous you're better off not working and the brain dead scum who read The Daily Mail believe this,it's especially easy to belive those of us with mental illnesses ate fakeing it as we look so normal,everybody thinks I'm scum because they all read The Daily Mail and believe that crasp they write.The owner of The Daily Mail is a millionair,millionairs want people to hate the disabled so we'll abolish the N.H.S. and the Welfare State so they can all have massive tax cuts to spend on super yachets and Zonda ZX sports cars.I hate rich people,I wish the Soviet Union had won the Cold War,I'd love to see millionaires rounded up and shipped off to the Gulag for " re-eucation".

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JGM

Bloody stupid computer "I typed " reeducation" but it came out wrong,so I "directed" it,but,at the 2nd attempt it missed out the "d".

JGM

I meant " corrected"not " directed",stupid bloody spell checker!

JGM

Did you see Jeremy Clarkson in the bar on that super yacht? The leather upholstery on the bar stools was from the foreskin of a whale,why!?,and why didn't the interabang catch on,sometimes it's so appropriate.I see all this decedant luxury,then I see all the misery and poverty,rich Pele ate so greedy,I hate the rich!

Alex

There's a good reason people call it the Hate Mail or the Daily Fail!

There's a great campaign called the Stop Funding Hate campaign - which is taking on "the divisive hate campaigns of the Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express by persuading advertisers to pull their support."

They've made some great progress - check them out on Facebook.

JGM

These papers have millions of readers,the rich are hugely influential because they own these papers,they're rich so they have a vested interest in running down the National Health Service,if they get I'll they can go private,so why pay tax so a bunch of sick strangers can gat free health care?Then they employ like thinking people as editors and they employ like thinking people as j9urnalsts,what I can't understand is why poor people buy these rags,have you seen poor people dressed in rags sitting on the bus reading The Sun,women!!! reading The Sun,I'd've thought The Sun only appealed to men,but no,they have female readers.There are 2 newsagents who stock The Morning Star and only one who stocks The Socialist Worker in the area, none in my local town,they have e huge piles

JGM

Bloody computer stopped working,they have huge piles of The Daily Mail and The Sun and o4

JGM

Bloody number won't work now,four or five copies of The Socialist Worker,why?Because people buy more copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun,why?Why are all these proles buying pro toff propaganda?

Zec Richardson

JGM said:
Dose it make you angry that other people were born normal but you were born with a disability?I used to go to a facility for "Care In The Community" mental patients,a law student volunteered to work there one summer,she was in a wheel chair,she was born a cripple,I saw an idiot in a wheel chair on telly a couple of days ago,he was born normal,but he was doing stupid stunts on a B.M.X. bike like you see on You've Been Framed and he crippled himself,he's got no one but himself to blame

Well I think that statement is harsh, I don't think we should look at someone differently just because doing something they enjoyed caused their disability!
I guess I am partly to blame for my disability, running 10 miles a day when I was younger and the job I did played a part in the demise of my mobility and contributed towards me being now reliant on a wheelchair!
Aren't disabled people judged enough without there being a split in disability between those born disabled and those that became disabled later in life?
Maybe it could be harder for those people as they have to make the adjustment of going from able bodied or normal as you say (what is normal?) to coping with disability?
I think that this is equally as offensive as some of the everyday comments that people face!

Fundamentalist

Hi, I'm Fundamentalist. I have about EIGHTEEN different disabilities, not just one. How I feel about the normal crowd depends on their attitude, some are really compassionate and caring, and quiet, so I don't generally have any problem with them, but I really can't stand the typical arrogant, fat-gloating loud mouthed, grossly pig-ignorant and outrageously disrespectful yob know-it-all types who absolutely despise me partly because they're dreadfully badly brought up by similarly grossly pig-ignorant parents and partly because they're not properly educated at school about things like misophonia and severe heat intolerance so they just see me as an easy target for their own sick and perverted pleasure which is why I've become so seriously hard line and aggressive. And I couldn't agree more about stupid dreadfully irresponsible two-faced hypocritical tabloids who stir up paranoia about single middle-aged blokes and what they supposedly get up to when not seen by the easy-lifers. And how they think we're all filthy child-molesting perverts, especially those like me who spend every evening inside instead of spending night after night down the pub. That's just one reason why I never buy or read them. I wouldn't like to even wipe my butt with one. There's far too many normal types who won't dare pick on someone with a white stick or a wheelchair but think they can do what they like to anyone like me, due of course in part to stupid wringing wet left-wing liberal politicians who don't believe in proper discipline and instead go out of their way to create a whole culture of impunity. And then there's the other type of normal crowd who are so "successful" and have such a dreadfully contemptuous and condescending attitude and think they're some kind of big shot and that they're so "superior". and always blame the victim and totally despise anyone like me as well as anyone who is homeless often through no fault of their own. They need to get their facts right and if they start on me they get TOLD! as will any that I catch picking on anyone else who is disabled. It also infuriates me just how many mental health "professionals" have never heard of misophonia when they of all people should know about such things, it supposed to be their job. It's because we have so many grossly pig-ignorant yob types who no-one in their right mind would ever employ that I think we should have compulsory military boot camps for ALL able bodied and able minded school leavers, no getting out of it for the filthy rich crowd! And we should have FAR stricter discipline in secondary schools too. I've met loads of folk who agree with me on those points and I stand by it. Fm.

CathyInSouthAfrica

It is really tough dealing with anger when you have a disability. Recently I found a really angry letter I wrote to my mother when I was 10, lol. It was hilarious in one way, but I can still feel the resentment now.

I found going to Alanon really helped. It is really humbling to find out how many people suffer in so many different ways, it helped me have a different perspective and deeper understanding that you can't change others, you can only change yourself. I had a few pity parties about that myself, but there is a surprising relief in eventually coming to terms with it.
They say that being angry with some-one gives them power over you - as true as that is, I still give some very undeserving people power over me - my bad!
No-one wins in the blame game, least of all the initiator. I love cliches, not least because there is always a direct opposite which is as equally valid.
Thank you Zec Richardson - I like your post. Disability shouldn't divide us. I think having a disability later in life has different challenges, but it is neither harder nor easier, we all need to help each other.

As Monty Python says, Always Look on the Bright Side of Life - when you do try to find solutions to your problems, you can meet the most wonderful people. Finding the treasures in people makes life worthwhile for me, and I think that's what we all want, some-one to find the treasures in us. I am really sorry that you are hurting JGM, but even the most arrogant of people are just one hit by a bus from a wheelchair themselves - and I feel very compassionate about how little they should feel for their own worthiness for assistance and tolerance should it unfortunately happen to them.

I am sorry if this comes across as condescending, another of my faults, but I really believe anger is a really powerful force which can be redirected and used for the good. I always felt betrayed that no-one told me that there were techniques that can help you deal with it constructively. It is a normal reaction, and everyone has to come to terms with it. I really empathize with the anger, and respect your right to deal with it in your own way. But I feel better when I find something good, and your post has reminded me to look at some simmering issues of my own. Maybe you can be generous enough to find something that helps you in my blurb.

Zec Richardson

I agree @CathyInSouthAfrica anger is a wasted emotion and hurts nobody except ourselves!
Someone treats us unfairly and we spend hours or days sometimes thinking about it and the person who caused this hurt is most probably not even thinking about the event at all.
I spent years mulling over being extremely unfairly treated by a priest (it's okay not sexually) and my anger and replaying it in my head did nothing but make me feel worse. Luckily I did move on and I now don't let people's words hurt, what they say isn't my problem, people can only hurt me if I allow their words to hurt me!

chasnbons

It looks like I have missed a few things in my absence and some of them aren't very nice.

Rather than go through everything word by word and risking being removed from the site for disagreeing with most statements, my only comment will be......

@Fundamentalist As difficult as you may find it. Maybe try and be nice instead of nasty, and not as judgemental as you claim others are. If you treat others with respect, you DO get respect back....eventually.

All the hurt, anger and animosity you seem to have is doing nobody and good, least of all you.

Zec Richardson

Nicely said @chasnbons!
When people say nasty things to me, I smile and say "I'm sorry you feel that way"

I feel so much better than when I would get angry and anyway smiling at them confuses the hell out if them!

Markmywords

You have two choices with severe disability, you bend in the wind of fate or you go insane with rage at it.

You have only one body, decrepit or otherwise. You cannot go to war against it.

I got cancer at 40 and the treatment was a thousand times worse than the disease in my case. I had to come to terms with constant pain and a body and face that I no longer recognised in the mirror.

Doctors don't like it when you tell them "Thanks for the help but I'd have been better off if you'd not saved me."

There are things unimaginably worse than everything stopping for good.

I don't resent statistically normal people nor do I believe that they should be grateful for good health.

The revulsion and discrimination of the statistically normal is a big problem but compared to just getting through another day it's a minor irritation.

Sam_Alumni

Please do remember our community guidelines, We want the community to be a safe and supportive place for all and so it is important to remember that words read online don’t always convey tone or context and so may be misinterpreted and cause offence, therefore it is important to consider language and audience.

chasnbons

@Sam_Scope I agree totally, but I'm confused as to why you posted it in this thread as I can't see any relevance in any of todays posts.

There are other posts in different threads with content much more relevant to your link, which you haven't highlighted by posting the same link. Like you say the written word isn't always read as it was written, but I have read a few recent posts today which I find in part offensive, to be honest, and on occasion quite rude. Some words come across as quite inflammatory yet no reference to community guidelines has been given, which seems rather unfair.

Sam_Alumni

@chasnbons We are always working on keeping the community safe and I will be posting reminders on any posts where it feels necessary and we are creating a post that is a general reminder to all.

Please do feel free to contact us with any posts you feel there are issues with.

Sam

JGM

I was just wondering,have any of you seen the movie "Acción Mutante", and if so,did it make you want to go out and do something?

chasnbons

@Sam_Scope Thanks for the reply.

Fair enough but you should at least quote the post you feel necessitates the reminder. Just putting it in the middle of a thread like you have here, doesn't help people in knowing what has been said which you feel is against guidelines. All it achieves is people wondering if you mean them, and that brings the risk people not posting 'just in case'.

Everyone has the right to their own opinion, view and way of life, but there are ways of saying things without being rude and abrupt.

It's not up to me to say which posts I feel there are issues with, as I feel they are self evident with the tones and words used in them. Plus just because I have issues with them, doesn't mean that other people will.

Sam_Alumni

I understand your frustrations @chasnbons and apologise if my post unsettled you. It was just a gentle reminder of the community guidelines and I hope that you can understand that we are trying to keep this community safe and supportive for all.

As one of our valued members, please do get in touch if you have issues with posts, it is the only way we can deal with problems and support all members.

I have emailed you and so please do let me know any comments or suggestions that we can discuss to make this community even better.

Thanks so much for your input,
Sam