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Grumpy1954Grumpy1954 Member Posts: 46 Courageous
Any evidence that people who go to appeal or tribunal and win get treated better, next assessment? Just wondering is this is something to expect every 3 years, ie 3 years of award then up to 12 months contesting next assessment or if, once they know you won't give uo, do they behave?

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    No, not that i know of anyway. Having an award by the Tribunal will not help your next review.
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    No they won't leave you alone even if your circumstances have not changed they 
    Will tell lies at the next assessment then it will start all over again 
  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Member Posts: 2,906 Disability Gamechanger
    I got two years on my date after tribunal and its backdated 8 months so its going to start again in about a year I think. 
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  • Grumpy1954Grumpy1954 Member Posts: 46 Courageous
    Ok, a vicious circle then, 3 yrs on, assessment then 3 -12 month fight on and on irrespective of prognosis or age - that's crazy!
  • wilkowilko Member Posts: 2,284 Disability Gamechanger
    It's a merrgoround, once it's starts there is no stopping it. Makes you wonder if they Rig it to keep claiming their expenses, after all they don't do the appeals and tribunerals out of the kindness of their hearts it all has ho be paid for.
  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Member Posts: 2,906 Disability Gamechanger
    I read on here that you can ask for MR for the length of time you get on your award. But in all honesty after 8 months of the system how on earth could I begin to do that, and risk losing it again? So we live in fear. Next time around if it’s appropriate I will know to ask or request a longer award period. However at tribunal you leave the room while they decide and then my WRO went back in for the decision. I can’t see how or when I would get a chance to say anything about my award period. Anyone done this ? 
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    Wonders never cease 
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    I left them alone in the hope they do the same! 
    I got awarded for three years, review in two. No way was I going to spend a year in limbo. Health more important. 

    If anyone is from DLA days, the first ever award was short. 


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  • TopkittenTopkitten Member Posts: 1,263 Pioneering
    I think the more determined you prove yourself to be the more likely it is you will get better treatment. A lot of the poor treatment appears to be aimed at getting people to give up and stop claiming. I think if you prove yourself to be determined no matter what then they are less likely to try it on so they can spend more time on people who are no so determined.

    This is only my opinion though.

    TK
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  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    edited June 2018
    Whatever happened with a previous award will have no bearing on the next and subsequent assessments. The assessor does not have the info from past awards - just the current one - unless you send them the info with the claim form.

    3 years does seem to be the norm. I had two awards since 2013 both for 3 years - review after 2.
    After my third assessment I gave up as at 70 years of age the thought of having to fight the DWP every two years just wasn't for me. My health and wellbeing was more important.

    Yes you can ask for a longer period but it is down to the DWP to decide. Giving 3 year awards does help the DWP. First it let's them have more bites of the cherry and secondly after numerous 2 year reviews most people would want to give up.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Topkitten said:
    I think the more determined you prove yourself to be the more likely it is you will get better treatment. A lot of the poor treatment appears to be aimed at getting people to give up and stop claiming. I think if you prove yourself to be determined no matter what then they are less likely to try it on so they can spend more time on people who are no so determined.

    This is only my opinion though.

    TK
    The idea of the benefits shake up is to reduce our money, and reduce what they give out to new claimants. 
    Fighting them has no bearing because we have members here who have done that four or five times.

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  • Grumpy1954Grumpy1954 Member Posts: 46 Courageous
    Whistles, that's basically what I wanted to know, as I'm one of the last batches to get assessed, wondered how the earlier ones went on reassessment.
    In 1997 I was told the only way I'd walk properly again was to have 2 plastic knees, but I was too young to be given them as I'd wear them out and need more. Now they say I'm too old - go figure.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Whistles, that's basically what I wanted to know, as I'm one of the last batches to get assessed, wondered how the earlier ones went on reassessment.
    In 1997 I was told the only way I'd walk properly again was to have 2 plastic knees, but I was too young to be given them as I'd wear them out and need more. Now they say I'm too old - go figure.
    Yes that's sounds great doesn't it. Leave it so long that they now can't do anything. 

    It will be a different assessor, different dm and possibly the dwp being told they haven't awarded in keeping with the laws (mental health, medication and something else that escapes me :)
    What you say will likely be different because it's about how you are effected from now. 


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  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Member Posts: 2,906 Disability Gamechanger
    We can only hope that this changes to a fairer system with a fairer govt
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  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    We can only hope that this changes to a fairer system with a fairer govt
    Don't hold your breath for that!
  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 458 Pioneering
    Things seem to be changing now ( slowly) but it’s a start.
    the more cases that the courts get involved with, the better the chances of having the rules changed.
    i can’t see how this farce can carry on as it is
  • TopkittenTopkitten Member Posts: 1,263 Pioneering
    @Grumpy1954, replacement joints can cause issues plus they have to do certain work to attach them. Consequently you can only have 2 replacements. They will not do this before a certain age because, if something goes wrong with the first one, you can only have one more. It does seem though that they change the ages at which they can be done from time to time as procedures and treatments improve. I will say though that the age at which they stop bothering to help people is constantly being lowered to reduce overall costs. I do not know what that age is now but I suspect I am beyond it as I have noticed a distinct reduction in support levels over the last year or two.

    Having been in A&E in my local hospital and having had to wait in the corridor for 2 hours to get a bed there I found that despite them having 30 odd beds available I was the only case not alcohol related. With so many people being that stupid is it any wonder that we do not get as much support and treatment as we should?

    I have recently watched a few of these ambulance related programs and am disgusted at how many people waste ambulance and A&E resources on trifling issues some of which do not need even GP support, let alone ambulance and A&E support. It's pathetic!

    TK
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  • Grumpy1954Grumpy1954 Member Posts: 46 Courageous
    I quite agree with you on alcohol, self inflicted A&E problems, and the daft ambulance call outs. My wife watches those probgrammes as well, and I recall one woman called and ambulance because she had a lot of shopping and her feet hurt. She was irate when they said they could only check her feet and/or take her to hospital, not drop her and her shopping off at home.
    The drain on the emergency services is bad enough as it is, without idiots who should know better!
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  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Things seem to be changing now ( slowly) but it’s a start.
    the more cases that the courts get involved with, the better the chances of having the rules changed.
    i can’t see how this farce can carry on as it is
    Be extremely careful with what you wish for.

    The government is totally committed to the original principles of PIP and the savings it has to make. If the government see this benefit going the way DLA did with the courts dictating the conditions and principles which changed the whole idea of DLA, then I do believe they will step in and rectify what the courts of the future may come up with as regards PIP.
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    I quite agree with you on alcohol, self inflicted A&E problems, and the daft ambulance call outs. My wife watches those probgrammes as well, and I recall one woman called and ambulance because she had a lot of shopping and her feet hurt. She was irate when they said they could only check her feet and/or take her to hospital, not drop her and her shopping off at home.
    The drain on the emergency services is bad enough as it is, without idiots who should know better!

    This, in my opinion is derived from the notion that people now have in that whatever they want they must have - it's their entitlement!

  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Member Posts: 2,906 Disability Gamechanger
    @Yadnad you can’t tar everyone with the same brush. That’s why we are in this mess with benefits because the few spoil it for the many. There are probably more genuine people out there who deserve help and should get help but are far from feeling entitled. 
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  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    @Yadnad you can’t tar everyone with the same brush. That’s why we are in this mess with benefits because the few spoil it for the many. There are probably more genuine people out there who deserve help and should get help but are far from feeling entitled


    My post was directed at the way people connect with the NHS and the ambulance service. The TV programme about ambulances is an eye opener. 


    I also agree with you that there are many people that are entitled to benefit advice and welfare payments that just don't get anything.
    As an example & I have quoted this elsewhere in another thread - the DWP has published figures that indicate that up to £2.8bn a year in pension credit is not being taken up, while the total amount of benefits available to pensioners -  pension credit, housing, council tax and disability benefits is £5.5bn a year which is going unclaimed.  
    No one including the DWP are particularly interested in making sure that the old get what they are entitled to - so what hope do the rest of society expect?

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger
    There is no evidence that a PIP win at appeal influences further decisions, but,
    people with degenerative or life-long conditions rarely ask for an ongoing award. If you don’t ask for such an award then you will always get a time-limited award. It’s only a “vicious circle” if you allow it to be.

    The late Summer guidance on light touch reviews every 10 years for people with enhanced rate awards and meeting set criteria will make this marginally less if an issue.
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