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PIP Mobility Appeal

nan2popnan2pop Member Posts: 7 Listener
edited August 2018 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hi all my 1st post I have been awarded lower rate mobility of PIP. I have put in an appeal for the higher rate which went in about 8 weeks ago and still waiting for the court date of the appeal. How long does this take. Does the money get backdated thanks in advance.

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  • Ami2301Ami2301 Member Posts: 7,418 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @nan2pop

    The money does get backdated but I'm not sure how long it takes. Other members of the community may have a rough idea of how long it could take and they will get in contact soon.

    Ami :)
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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @nan2pop
    An appeal normally takes 6-8 weeks so you should hear something very soon! The money will get backdated if the appeal is won :) 
    Very best of luck and please do keep us updated!
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  • nan2popnan2pop Member Posts: 7 Listener
    Thanks I will,  this appeal Is awaiting to go to a court tribunal is this the same.
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    edited August 2018
    Hi @nan2pop, tribunal appeals can take up to 12 months but it really does depend on the work load they have at that time. Please do keep us updated and the very best of luck!
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @nan2pop, tribunal appeals can take up to 12 weeks but it really does depend on the work load they have at that time. Please do keep us updated and the very best of luck!
    Hi Chloe, I disagree with the 12 weeks. With so many backlogs for Tribunals right across the country i'm afraid nan2pop could be wait several months, in fact some have even waited 1 year for a hearing date.

    @nan2pop 8 weeks really is no time at all to be waiting. Give the Tribunal a ring and ask them approx how long the wait is in your area, you'll need your Tribunal reference number for this. They'll tell you the waiting times, but it could still be longer.

    Good luck.
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  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Hi @nan2pop, tribunal appeals can take up to 12 weeks but it really does depend on the work load they have at that time. Please do keep us updated and the very best of luck!
    Hi Chloe, I disagree with the 12 weeks. With so many backlogs for Tribunals right across the country i'm afraid nan2pop could be wait several months, in fact some have even waited 1 year for a hearing date.

    @nan2pop 8 weeks really is no time at all to be waiting. Give the Tribunal a ring and ask them approx how long the wait is in your area, you'll need your Tribunal reference number for this. They'll tell you the waiting times, but it could still be longer.

    Good luck.
    I do too. I thought it was purely a typing error - weeks when it should have been months!

  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @poppy123456 and @Yadnad , I did mean months- sorry about that one! I will edit that now :)
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  • nan2popnan2pop Member Posts: 7 Listener
    Just called to get an idea of how long they told me it was 48 weeks I can't believe it would take that long. But have been put on the short list which might help. You have to live in faith.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes indeed, it's a very long process. It could possibly be even longer than that. Good luck.
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  • missmmissm Member Posts: 39 Connected
    im 12 months and still no sign of tribunal :(   for mobility upgrade 
  • nan2popnan2pop Member Posts: 7 Listener
    Hi all my Dr keeps increasing my morphine every couple of months I put in an update a few weeks ago now have to do it all over again. Surely they could just update the meds without us having to write a book ever time just to put in an increase. 
  • painterpainter Member Posts: 45 Pioneering
    Hi Nan hubby just put in for mandatory review, also dropped from high rate DLA to standard PIP. Such a shock. As he has put up with pain and probs for years no recent medical evidence.  Had leg stents inserted 8 yrs ago, failed within a few months.  Declined op (scared) so discharged.  Reduced blood flow, severe muscle wastage and pain. Has COPD so GP says op now only if it becomes emergency.  Will go to tribunal if mandatory decision not changed.  Hope you get yours soon.
  • painterpainter Member Posts: 45 Pioneering
    Forgot to say he was given PIP standard for 3 yrs.  Paperwork states reason for 3 yrs is that he may improve or get used to managing his disabilities.  He is 64, has severe COPD, very unlikely he will improve. Absolute rubbish...!!!
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    painter said:
    Hi Nan hubby just put in for mandatory review, also dropped from high rate DLA to standard PIP. Such a shock. As he has put up with pain and probs for years no recent medical evidence.  Had leg stents inserted 8 yrs ago, failed within a few months.  Declined op (scared) so discharged.  Reduced blood flow, severe muscle wastage and pain. Has COPD so GP says op now only if it becomes emergency.  Will go to tribunal if mandatory decision not changed.  Hope you get yours soon.
    Claudication due to PAD is extremely painful. I have it in my left leg now. Had the op to clean the rubbish out of my right a few years back which had gathered in the groin, behind the knee and at the ankle. They put a stent in at the groin
    .You do anything to try to relieve it. I even tried the shower head on hot on my leg. The hospital will only operate on the left leg when it gets to the stage that I can't cope with it any longer. With the right they took me in and found no blood supply to the right leg at all and told my wife that I was within an hour or two of it being amputated - it was white, cold and like marble.
    Still that's the NHS for you.

    Grief I know how your hubby must be feeling. I was diagnosed with Pulmonary Fibrosis. Right lung is knackered so just told to keep up with both pumps, to keep the airways clear. 

    The assessor dismissed both problems on the basis that I am currently not receiving specialist attention at hospital for both problems.

  • painterpainter Member Posts: 45 Pioneering
    This is the problem Yadnad.  If you have no up to date letters/appts you stand not chance.  He has had stents inserted, collapsed.  Not pedal pulse!!  Coronary stents inserted, sees respiratory cons every 6 mths but this is for lungs not leg! Seeing GP on Monday, see if she can give us up to date letter of diagnosis, although i know the diagnosis doesn't come into it, its your limitations and help you need, but how on earth do you prove this if you no longer see vascular surgeons.    Assessor also stated hubby standard build and looked well.  He never looks well and has lost so much weight.  Asked assessor to look at his skinny leg, not interested!
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    painter said:
    This is the problem Yadnad.  If you have no up to date letters/appts you stand not chance.  He has had stents inserted, collapsed.  Not pedal pulse!!  Coronary stents inserted, sees respiratory cons every 6 mths but this is for lungs not leg! Seeing GP on Monday, see if she can give us up to date letter of diagnosis, although i know the diagnosis doesn't come into it, its your limitations and help you need, but how on earth do you prove this if you no longer see vascular surgeons.    Assessor also stated hubby standard build and looked well.  He never looks well and has lost so much weight.  Asked assessor to look at his skinny leg, not interested!
    Assessors? Don't start me on that bunch of incompetents.
    Mine (3 assessments) didn't ask any questions about the legs. In their various reports said that I walked so must have no issues.
    I did however do the peak flow test for lung function and the best was just under half the norm (can't remember the reading other than it was about the same as my normal ones at the GP surgery)
    I thought to myself 'get out of that one if you can?'
    They did, they accused me of messing up the test by holding the tube incorrectly
  • painterpainter Member Posts: 45 Pioneering
    No peak flow taken.  Always on antibiotics and steroids.  Oxygen stats often in the 80's.  Just baffled.  Previous DLA review done by doctor.  States looks cyanosed , greyish tinge, blue round mouth.   Severe COPD.  Yet nurse totally dismissed everything.  Included old DLA notes with PIP form.  Sorry for rant!!
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    painter said:
     Included old DLA notes with PIP form.  Sorry for rant!!
    When I was transferred over (2013), previously indefinite High Care & Mobility since originally 1995, I never knew that you had the option of asking the DWP to look at my evidence from 2011 when I had a DLA review. Somehow someone forgot to ask me during the initial telephone call it seems although they do now.

  • painterpainter Member Posts: 45 Pioneering
    Yes they asked hubby, his latesy review was from 2009.  I kept copies anyway so copied and put in with form highlighting certain bits of info - to no avail it seems.  
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    nan2pop said:
    Hi all my Dr keeps increasing my morphine every couple of months I put in an update a few weeks ago now have to do it all over again. Surely they could just update the meds without us having to write a book ever time just to put in an increase. 
    You don't have to ring PIP every time your medication changes, if everyone did this then we'd all have constant forms to fill in. This now means that you'll be re-assessed and most likely have to go for another face 2 face assessment. 
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    You don't have to ring PIP every time your medication changes, if everyone did this then we'd all have constant forms to fill in. This now means that you'll be re-assessed and most likely have to go for another face 2 face assessment. 
    Wow  Nan must be one of their best customers for the number of assessments being carried out!
    On top of that it is giving the DWP more chances to reduce the awards.

    Keep at it mate you could well be a record breaker.
  • nan2popnan2pop Member Posts: 7 Listener
    They told me if I didn't report every change including the meds change I could have my payment stopped 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    nan2pop said:
    They told me if I didn't report every change including the meds change I could have my payment stopped 
    That's not true. Like I said if everyone did that then it would be ridiculous. 
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • lyndawarlyndawar Member Posts: 4 Listener
    Yadnad said:
    painter said:
    This is the problem Yadnad.  If you have no up to date letters/appts you stand not chance.  He has had stents inserted, collapsed.  Not pedal pulse!!  Coronary stents inserted, sees respiratory cons every 6 mths but this is for lungs not leg! Seeing GP on Monday, see if she can give us up to date letter of diagnosis, although i know the diagnosis doesn't come into it, its your limitations and help you need, but how on earth do you prove this if you no longer see vascular surgeons.    Assessor also stated hubby standard build and looked well.  He never looks well and has lost so much weight.  Asked assessor to look at his skinny leg, not interested!
    Assessors? Don't start me on that bunch of incompetents.
    Mine (3 assessments) didn't ask any questions about the legs. In their various reports said that I walked so must have no issues.
    I did however do the peak flow test for lung function and the best was just under half the norm (can't remember the reading other than it was about the same as my normal ones at the GP surgery)
    I thought to myself 'get out of that one if you can?'
    They did, they accused me of messing up the test by holding the tube incorrectly

  • lyndawarlyndawar Member Posts: 4 Listener
    edited August 2018
    RE his legs, I sent photos if my knees and all the AIDS I have, commode, shower stool, wheelchair, everything helps..
  • painterpainter Member Posts: 45 Pioneering
    Have put in for PIP mandatory reconsideration for hubby.  Did this by phone and sent off letter highlighting where we disagreed with the assessor. This went off today special delivery.  Saw GP last week  , she was was lovely.  Said she would go through his notes and write letter, collected this today.  She stated that with his severe COPD he cannot walk more than 10 yards without stopping to rest plus the pain and condition of his left leg and periphery arterial disease means his mobility is greatly restricted. She also included a letter from chest cons which we hadn't seen and also his DEXA scan result stating he has multiple spinal fractures.  This will go by special delivery first thing tomorrow too.  Have yo wait and see what happens.  Assessor he saw said he wasn't breathless, he looked well, walked upright with normal gait.  She wasn't talking about my husband!!
  • lyndawarlyndawar Member Posts: 4 Listener
    Painter, many MRs fail sadly but sounds like you have brilliant support from your GP so if no luck do go on to Appeal, you will have more time to get even more info together for a case along with the MR information. Good luck. 
  • painterpainter Member Posts: 45 Pioneering
    Evening everyone.  Well have sent off a letter for my hubby' s mandatory reconsideration.  Explained that we had seen GP and she was writing up letter 're his disabilities and capabilities.  As luck would have it her letter arrived the day after with various other bits of paperwork, these have now been sent special delivery,copied everything first!  Received assessors report today.  What I find difficult to understand is this musculoskeletal assessment.  There is half a page typed up regarding this giving degree measurements  left/right leg, plantar flexion, dorsiflexion, full power in muscles in left and right leg.  She never touched or examined him at all.  She sat behind her desk, while we sat the other side.  She threw questions at him but at no time did she touch him.  How can a musculoskeletal assessment give a true picture without examining.  I worked in a physio dept at one time and typed up physio reports.  Very similar to what I read today  but the physio was hands on while recording findings.  His left leg is very weak, muscle mass very poor. 
    The GP letter was very good explaining he has moderate to severe COPD, serious peripheral arterial disease, both which limits his walking to 10 metres.  Also has significant osteoporosis with multiple spinal fractures and is concerned about his falls.  The DEXA scan was also included stating about his vertebrae and broken ribs.  The doctor who examined him 8 yrs go for DLA wrote a true report , which I enclosed with his changeover form but this was totally ignored.  I  very much doubt things will change and we will have to go for an appeal.
  • painterpainter Member Posts: 45 Pioneering
    Sorry seemed to have repeated myself a bit here.  I blame it on my age!!
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    painter said:
    Evening everyone.  Well have sent off a letter for my hubby' s mandatory reconsideration.  Explained that we had seen GP and she was writing up letter 're his disabilities and capabilities.  As luck would have it her letter arrived the day after with various other bits of paperwork, these have now been sent special delivery,copied everything first!  Received assessors report today.  What I find difficult to understand is this musculoskeletal assessment.  There is half a page typed up regarding this giving degree measurements  left/right leg, plantar flexion, dorsiflexion, full power in muscles in left and right leg.  She never touched or examined him at all.  She sat behind her desk, while we sat the other side.  She threw questions at him but at no time did she touch him.  How can a musculoskeletal assessment give a true picture without examining.  I worked in a physio dept at one time and typed up physio reports.  Very similar to what I read today  but the physio was hands on while recording findings.  His left leg is very weak, muscle mass very poor. 
    The GP letter was very good explaining he has moderate to severe COPD, serious peripheral arterial disease, both which limits his walking to 10 metres.  Also has significant osteoporosis with multiple spinal fractures and is concerned about his falls.  The DEXA scan was also included stating about his vertebrae and broken ribs.  The doctor who examined him 8 yrs go for DLA wrote a true report , which I enclosed with his changeover form but this was totally ignored.  I  very much doubt things will change and we will have to go for an appeal.
    It's a good job that you don't have any mental health issues. They can assess your mental health in 5 mins just by looking to see if you rock in the chair, can look at the assessor, whether you are sweating or not etc. In fact I had 14 reasons put to me 'proving that I have never had a mental health problem.
    Yet it took my psychiatrist and psychologist hours of talking and listening to me to decide that I did - then I was sectioned!
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