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Pip washing and bathing

petitegal
petitegal Member Posts: 10 Listener
edited August 2018 in PIP, DLA, and AA
Hi please can anyone help. I have multiple illnesses. I cannot get points for needing asaistance to get in and out of the bath or shower. Firstly i have arthritis in my back and hips, so need help due to pain and stiffness and i have sciatica. I also need help as i have eczema and use greesy creams to wash and bath. Therefore i struggle to get in and out of the bath with fear of slipping. It is not safe to get into bath or shower without assistance.
The DWP Hcp says because i can get into a car that this indicated adequate hip abduction to do this. Indicating that i would be able to get into a bath therefore for the purpose of pip on balance of probability it is resonable to sugest that i would be able to complete this task with aids only. Reliably repeatably and to an acceptable standard. I have askes for a mr and was given 2 points. What do people think of this? Tia

Comments

  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,847 Connected
    Fear of slipping is irrelevant and won’t score points under activity 4 unless you can evidence a strong likelihood of it actually happening. If it’s never happened then you would need an OT assessment at minimum or some other compelling evidence. If it has happened then the fear has some basis and you need to describe such incidents in full to make the case. Equally though, if it were true then the next question would be as to whether you do bathe and whether you have an actual person who assists or prompts. If it isn’t safe then that’s different to fear but then the question would be why you’ve not had an OT assessment to make it safe. 

    You seem to be arguing a theoretical argument out of this then that rather than one based on evidence of the actual problem you have in practice. 
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    Thinking bout this situation and whilst I had an OT assessment the consequence of which resulted in amongst many other things, an electric bath chair that lowers me into and out of the bath I was still able, when I used to drive, fall into the drivers seat. However when trying to get out of the car I had to have help to pull me out and then support me in an upright position.

    So in a way the assessor does have a point although only half of one!
  • petitegal
    petitegal Member Posts: 10 Listener
    Yes it is much harder to get up than get doen i find this myself
  • Pin
    Pin Member Posts: 139 Pioneering
    Honestly, it does sound fair? With appropriate aids you could safely do this - ie grab rails etc? Is this the only part of the report you disagree with?
  • petitegal
    petitegal Member Posts: 10 Listener
    I am more at risk of falling and slipping due to haveing to soak in greasy creams. Because i lay in the bath for 15 mins i am also stiff to get up and do need assistance. 
  • Matilda
    Matilda Member Posts: 2,610 Disability Gamechanger
    There is the reliability factor.  You might be able to get in and out of the bath using aids.  But you might not be able to do this reliably, i.e. safely and in no more time than it would take an average person.  If you cannot complete a task reliably, then this counts as your not being able to complete the task at all.

    Try to get some f2f advice from CAB or similar, or phone Scope Helpline.

    Disability Rights UK describes reliability criteria.
  • Pin
    Pin Member Posts: 139 Pioneering
    Would grab rails not help with that though? Are there other parts of the report you disagree with?
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,847 Connected
    petitegal said:
    I am more at risk of falling and slipping due to haveing to soak in greasy creams. Because i lay in the bath for 15 mins i am also stiff to get up and do need assistance. 
    Have you ever actually fallen? If not then you have no evidence of risk.  
  • petitegal
    petitegal Member Posts: 10 Listener
    Of course i have thats why i am saying i need assistance. . 
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    Pin said:
    Would grab rails not help with that though? Are there other parts of the report you disagree with?
    To be honest there is little when involving any physical activity problem that cannot be overcome with an appropriate aid.
    Grab rails as one are brilliant. I have them next to every doorway on both floors of the house as well as outside both the front and back doors with a second handrail on the stairs which also helps.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,847 Connected
    petitegal said:
    Of course i have thats why i am saying i need assistance. . 
    There was no indication of that in the original post, which is why I was asking. 

    How many times have you fallen? What happened? Are we talking falling or stumbling?
  • Pin
    Pin Member Posts: 139 Pioneering
    Yadnad said:
    Pin said:
    Would grab rails not help with that though? Are there other parts of the report you disagree with?
    To be honest there is little when involving any physical activity problem that cannot be overcome with an appropriate aid.
    Grab rails as one are brilliant. I have them next to every doorway on both floors of the house as well as outside both the front and back doors with a second handrail on the stairs which also helps.
    I’m not trying to be harsh OP, just from what you’ve said their giving you 2 points makes sense. So perhaps give your evidence but focus on the other descriptors too? Also you need to tell them you’ve fallen etc. 

    Good luck, I hope you’re able to get some advice.

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