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Mobility car without mobility benefit

TimMusgraveTimMusgrave Member Posts: 15 Connected
Hi,

After failing to get PIP and with no avenue leading to other benefits open before me, I am left to find a car on my own to help me get around.

I need to have said car adapted - right leg accelerator switched to left and steering handle on the steering wheel to operate all functions and, of course, keep me in a straight line.

Question - where do I go for this car?

I bought a second hand Civic many years ago, bought the adaptations and got them fitted by Clarke's in Sheffield. I sold it as I was leaving the country, the adaptations were taken out and eventually discarded as being too dated. To be frank, I don't want to go through this again - buying a car is enough, buying adaptations additional cost and getting them installed stressful. Plus, the initial outlay for adaptations and labour is considerable. Surely, however, there is an organisation that I can go to who rent or sell cars for disabled where the adaptations have already been made?

I have spoken to a Mobility helpline (some time ago) and been to a Mobility dealer, and both have said, without the higher level of PIP, I can't get a car from them. Is that true, even though the money would come from my pocket and NOT the governments?

If this is true, does anyone know of a second hand dealer who sells cars already adapted, or indeed has a car with those adaptations made and willing to sell it on? I really think that there is a viable business opportunity out there for a "We buy any adapted car.com" company.

Please advise.
Thank you for reading.

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  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    @TimMusgrave Sorry to hear your plight, there might be an option to this if you can locate where (Motability) )move or sell these cars to when either taken back or ones that have their lease run out on them. Auctions may be a good place.

    Sorry can't be much more use to you, it's so wrong so many people are loosing their car. Good luck.

    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • TimMusgraveTimMusgrave Member Posts: 15 Connected
    edited August 2018
    Thanks for your reply GNF,
    I guess what I'm looking for is too specific. All second hand cars for the disabled appear to be people carriers adapted for wheelchair access.

  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    @TimMusgrave Was worth a mention.

    There maybe another option.

    Phone Motability again, and ask them where they go? But ask to speak to someone higher in the food chain at Motability or have a word with a Motability dealer otherwise I'm none the wiser.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • SaracenSaracen Member Posts: 66 Courageous
    Hi tim had a look around for you found this hope it helps

    These are either returned to manufacturer franchises, or auctioned off, usually by British Car Auctions. There can be several auctions of Motability cars every week at big BCA auction centres.

    And this dealer apparently is approved 2nd hand mobility car dealer.
  • TimMusgraveTimMusgrave Member Posts: 15 Connected
    Fantastic... I'm on the trail. Will update as and when.
    x
  • MatildaMatilda Member Posts: 2,616 Disability Gamechanger
    Did you appeal against the decision to refuse you PIP mobility?
  • PinPin Member Posts: 139 Pioneering
    Try allied vehicles in Glasgow - I know they’re quite far but they fit out mobility vehicles for trade (ie day centres, ambulances etc)
  • TimMusgraveTimMusgrave Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @Saracen , Southern Car Sales tell me they rarely have any cars in with steering wheel adaptations. I'm still waiting for BCA to return my mail, but assume that they will (like so many others) have either WAVs or adapted cars that are no longer adapted ie. switched back.
     
  • TimMusgraveTimMusgrave Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @Matilda
    I haven't appealed. TBH I don't see any hope. Even though I am unable to use an arm and walk with a heavy limp, I am not disabled enough... besides that, the 2 years clause in the country has me befuzzled, bemused and at a loss.
    Thanks for your reply.
  • TimMusgraveTimMusgrave Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @Pin Thanks for your advice. You're right, Glasgow is a long way away ;)
    I've contacted Clarkes in Sheffield, they have just quoted me 1,600 for the steering and 500 for the accelerator (incl. VAT).
    Funnily, they did say I probably wouldn't have to pay VAT... anybody know why that would be the case? 
  • MatildaMatilda Member Posts: 2,616 Disability Gamechanger
    @TimMusgrave

    PIP is awarded for how your disability affects your daily living and mobility, not the disability itself.
  • DavidJDavidJ Member Posts: 51 Pioneering
    @TimMusgrave
    hi Tim . It’s only one of the “perks” I suppose but disability products are exempt from paying VAT .
    Your requirements would definitely qualify for zero rating 
  • TimMusgraveTimMusgrave Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @DavidJ
    Really David? How would I go about purchasing without VAT? Do I need to claim the VAT back at the end of the fiscal year, or would Clarkes just not charge me?
    (financial newbie)
  • DavidJDavidJ Member Posts: 51 Pioneering
    @TimMusgrave
    If bought from a reputable business Tim the VAT will not be charged . 
    Normally they ask you to sign a VAT exemption form and you just put on it a gist of your disability so they can be exempted from it by HMRC 
    Most Disability shops are well schooled in this and so are parts suppliers , but it’s always best to check ! After all 20% can be a fair amount depending upon what you buy 
  • TimMusgraveTimMusgrave Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @DavidJ
    Many thanks! 20% is a hefty weight off my wallet ;)
  • axwy62axwy62 Member Posts: 140 Pioneering
    If you purchase a new car which is adapted prior to delivery, you don’t pay VAT on the car or the adaptions, which makes it cheaper than one 2 years old and is why we had a new car for the first time ever.
  • TimMusgraveTimMusgrave Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @axwy62 Wow, great advice and congratulations on your new car. Unfortunately, I definitely don't have the money for a new car :(
    Second hand sale room for me, i'm afraid.
  • TimMusgraveTimMusgrave Member Posts: 15 Connected
    Well, I think I've exhausted most avenues - motability says we can't sell on with adaptations, BCA & Southern Car Sales say they don't have anything like that that comes in, searches on the net have revealed naught - so I'm back to square one.

    I found a car in a local dealers yesterday, £3,500 - a bit over the budget. Checked the insurance - £444. Checked the adaptations installer, £1800 - £1800!!! 

    The car, I can do. The insurance, I can do. The adaptation? Wow! - and that's without VAT.

    The main cost is an infrared secondary control mounted thru/on the steering wheel. Somebody mentioned Bluetooth as an alternative, but try as I might I can't find anything on the all-knowing interweb.

    Does anyone have experience of an alternative steering control that uses bluetooth to activate indicators, washers and lights?

    Please help... I'm drowning. Need a car, but the expense is overwhelming.

    Thanks for reading.
  • newbornnewborn Member Posts: 682 Pioneering
    Scratching  around for a work round. .....once, I saw (and drove)a drive-in motorbike box. Details escape me but the thing I wondered was would handlebar steering be feasible for you?,   

    That firm were aiming at the inevitably large market of injured hardcore bikers, so they wanted to replicate the 'joy' (?) of being exposed to the elements.  But at the time, I could see a potential for turning the thing into a substitute quasi-car, for the more mainstream disabled population.. It was pretty cheap. Switching control from one hand to the other would be straightforward, so would brakes by hand, I guess? 

     Also, I have a hazy memory of looking up micro mini cars, and, again, as long as you could compromise , maybe a miniature vehicle along the lines of a glorified (properly)enclosed souped up mobility scooter might be available  (half remembered, were some designs shown for 2 only, with the passenger possibly  seated behind?)
  • JadeBJadeB Member Posts: 62 Courageous
    @Matilda have  You considered looking at ex mobility cars, perhaps asking those dealers if they have any car come in with the adaptions you need. All the best in your search xx
  • newbornnewborn Member Posts: 682 Pioneering
    I just looked online again, and there are various enclosed vehicles with handlebar steering and hand contol led brakes if that would suit you. Micro electric, mainly, but up to 4 seats.   USA,  Japan,  mainly, but some European as well
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