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Username_removed said: How do you know that all of your panel had tribunals the next day? Nothing suspicious in the end of week/next day comment. Most tribunals make same day decisions but they’re typed and distributed by the clerk and the speed of that depends on whether they’re doing more outdoor clerking the next day or heading back to HQ. Unless they specifically discuss it with the clerk most tribunals wouldn’t know what the clerk is doing next. If they had the evidence and didn’t want to go through it on the day that says a) out of time.b) the evidence they had seen and heard went overwhelmingly against you and anything new was unlikely to change their decision. Both of the above could be errors of law (breach of natural justice/failing to take into account relevant considerations) but they’re not ordinarily set aside territory. However, sometimes a DJ will set aside a tribunal even when they shouldn’t just because they have issues with the judge or wish to make a point.
Username_removed said: This is a PIP thread. You appear to be talking about ESA.
Username_removed said: Kttyn said: Username_removed said: How do you know that all of your panel had tribunals the next day? Nothing suspicious in the end of week/next day comment. Most tribunals make same day decisions but they’re typed and distributed by the clerk and the speed of that depends on whether they’re doing more outdoor clerking the next day or heading back to HQ. Unless they specifically discuss it with the clerk most tribunals wouldn’t know what the clerk is doing next. If they had the evidence and didn’t want to go through it on the day that says a) out of time.b) the evidence they had seen and heard went overwhelmingly against you and anything new was unlikely to change their decision. Both of the above could be errors of law (breach of natural justice/failing to take into account relevant considerations) but they’re not ordinarily set aside territory. However, sometimes a DJ will set aside a tribunal even when they shouldn’t just because they have issues with the judge or wish to make a point. It was up on the board that I was the first of the tribunals that day.. And they were every hour from 10am to 5pm. For them to get their decision in the post for me to get the next day is cutting it really tight.The evidence in my favour was overwhelming. My early help case worker even wrote a statement that should my children have to continue in the role as my main carers then there may be a child protection issue... Nothing against me, I'm trying my hardest but I'm not well... They even had that and still denied it ..The guy sat in the middle was a complete ass..... Wasn't interested in what I was saying and kept putting my points down Tribunals run from 10 to 12 and then 2 to 4 everywhere. They make most decisions on the day; issue a summary decision and usually give a quick verbal summary too unless way behind. Clerk types the summary decision up at the end of each case. Almost no decisions are not made on the day and all will be either given to a DWP PO on the day if one is in attendance, or posted out that night. It is very rare for someone to lose a case when the evidence is truly overwhelming. Your example of the early help case worker is a fine example. It is literally nothing to the point and the tribunal will also have smelt possible BS.Firstly, the only relevance of the care provided by your children is whether their assistance scores points under specific activities or not. Secondly, young carers are not a child protection issue unless something else is going on. If that is what you think amounts to good evidence then, to be blunt, you were poorly advised by someone somewhere along the line.
Kttyn said: Username_removed said: How do you know that all of your panel had tribunals the next day? Nothing suspicious in the end of week/next day comment. Most tribunals make same day decisions but they’re typed and distributed by the clerk and the speed of that depends on whether they’re doing more outdoor clerking the next day or heading back to HQ. Unless they specifically discuss it with the clerk most tribunals wouldn’t know what the clerk is doing next. If they had the evidence and didn’t want to go through it on the day that says a) out of time.b) the evidence they had seen and heard went overwhelmingly against you and anything new was unlikely to change their decision. Both of the above could be errors of law (breach of natural justice/failing to take into account relevant considerations) but they’re not ordinarily set aside territory. However, sometimes a DJ will set aside a tribunal even when they shouldn’t just because they have issues with the judge or wish to make a point. It was up on the board that I was the first of the tribunals that day.. And they were every hour from 10am to 5pm. For them to get their decision in the post for me to get the next day is cutting it really tight.The evidence in my favour was overwhelming. My early help case worker even wrote a statement that should my children have to continue in the role as my main carers then there may be a child protection issue... Nothing against me, I'm trying my hardest but I'm not well... They even had that and still denied it ..The guy sat in the middle was a complete ass..... Wasn't interested in what I was saying and kept putting my points down
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