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Encounter with a PIP HP

zuchon1975
zuchon1975 Member Posts: 13 Connected
edited October 2018 in PIP, DLA, and AA
I’ve recently attended a conference (not the Tory party one !!! ) as part of this conference we had breakout workshops. One of the workshops was about pensions so I wheeled along. 
Sorry I’m rambling, anyway the guy who sat next to me in the workshop identified himself as a PIP HP in the round table intros.
Later in the evening at the bar I got talking to him and said I’d just been through the PIP assessment process, he asked me the outcome of the claim and I told him I’d been lucky enough to be awarded PIP.
His response then left me speechless - he asked me how I’d come to be in my chair (car accident) he knew I worked FT as we had to say what we did in the workshop. He said well you’d get PIP easily as it’s meant for genuine people like you !
I asked what do mean genuine? He responded well your not like these ones who try and claim for depression, social anxiety and bloody fibromyalgia and you actually go to work. He then went off on a massive rant about the amount of people he has to see with fibromyalgia and depression and anxiety and in his opinion there was nothing wrong with any of them and if they are trying to play the system and PIP has found them out !!! He continued to go on about the people converting from DLA to PIP stating how the majority of them had got away with claiming and not working for years but PIP soon puts a stop to them ! (I really wonder if he’d grasped the fact PIP has nothing to do with ability to work but actually day to day living - and he’s the assessor)
To say I was schocked and stunned (as well as fuming) was a understatement. I removed myself from the conversation before I lost my temper. 
Firstly I couldn’t believe how unprofessional he was being, but how the hell do people stand a chance if this is a PIP Assessors attitude and belief ?
He also had a rant about people with nothing wrong with them wasting GPs and NHS time just making appointments and hospital visits to get more evidence for their PIP claim. 

Comments

  • wilko
    wilko Member Posts: 2,413 Disability Gamechanger
    I CIA can see where he’s coming from, PIP is about as you know your abilities to do things in your daily life. So people who suffer depression ect can cook, wash and dress their selves so do not meet the PIP descriptors and are mobile enough top to get an award. Reading and hearing people’s hope for a free mobility car or moving from DLA to PIP and lose their car does cause upset and anoyouns to those who work and struggle to make ends  meets and see us live JG on benefits having the free car rent and council tax paid taking holidays ect ect, it’s no wonder he had a rant I have heard it so often about people having blue badges and walking off to the shops as nearly as well as an able bodied person and retuning with loaded shopping bags makes you wonder.
  • zuchon1975
    zuchon1975 Member Posts: 13 Connected
    I think what shocked me most was the hatefulness in his voice and the resentment. 
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    edited October 2018
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  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Hi Mike the more I read what I have written the more I realise that I was wrong and have probably fallen into the trap of answering a troll. I have asked the mods if they could remove the post for me.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,469 Disability Gamechanger
    Well done that man. Admirable.
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    I can't believe what I've just read here either @mikehughescq I know some people here feel hard done by but to say this isn't this just wrong and your right it's what this Government wants us to do turn against each other. Sad days :'(

    As for cooking and eating I sometimes don't or can't eat for 3 or 4 days at a time, and I certainly can't cook because of physical disability's, mental heath and self harming and cut myself I will trying to cook once in a blue moon when I may get a day or so I feel a littler better after being doped up on my medication as I've taken to much... So for people swinging the lead for a few quid I'd rather have a proper life than live like this.

    So people in future be mindful thinking what you write, don't we deserve a little help then. Good day.

    ps as for the PIP assesser mentioned in this thread certainly needs to get a life and I really hope he doesent become ill.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 90 Listener
    edited October 2018
    mike you posted?A person who surrenders their mobility component to get a Motability vehicle may gain some independence but be financially close to destitution.i say nonesemnse i can obtain a car for 250a month and still have 320left from my pip some do have cars that i also feel do not deserve them plus i pay no councle tax and have
    another benifit but then i do not fake the fact i am dieing nor that i suffer daily  but some do and i suspect we all know someone who does


  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,469 Disability Gamechanger
    Sorry @sweet but by and large I have contempt for such comments particularly when they include the phrase “we all know someone who does”. No, we don’t. We think we do because we conveniently forget how no-one sees what goes on with us 5 minutes after people have seen us making the effort to look fine and then going to bed for the rest of the day and so on. Fraud levels are low because fraud is low. Prosecutions make headlines but the reason they do is because numbers are so low and most prosecutions are ripped apart as abject nonsense. Ditto blue badge fraud. It’s pretty much non-existent yet “everybody knows somebody”.

    I’ve been in welfare rights 32 years. Met 2 fraudsters. 1 was brilliant. 1 was a fool as he’d have qualified anyway. Talk to my colleagues and even those who’ve seen more will say, as DWP and local authorities quietly do, that fraud is mostly committed by criminal gangs not individuals. Unfortunately putting out a message that your systems keep getting caught out by systemic fraud is not a good message so most fraud messages focuses on individuals as do the media. 

    Your argument doesn’t have a shred of credibility as you’ve not even got the maths right. Converted to a monthly figure you’d be handing over £258 not £250. You also haven’t read my post properly. I used rhe word “may”. My assertion, like most things, is not true of everybody but research has shown that it’s true in about 88% of cases that disability benefits are used for everyday living costs not for the costs of disability. That it’s okay for you is fine but for most people it isn’t. I’m not a great fan of empathy as research has shown that to be a dangerous thing too but the lack of empathy or insight by people who themselves are disabled is a terrifying thing. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 23,770 Disability Gamechanger
    sweet said:
    but then i do not fake the fact i am dieing nor that i suffer daily  but some do and i suspect we all know someone who does


    Sorry but i totally disagree with this too. Benefit fraud is very low. You or anyone else has no idea what goes on behind closed doors, it's very easy to put a smile on your face and pretend there's nothing wrong, to hide the severe pain you experience every day because what's the point of moaning to others, they won't understand if you did. Mental health and autism to name just two, are invisible conditions.  A lot of people will suffer in silence and i'm most certainly one of them. I certainly don't know anyone that claims fraudulently! You simply can't judge a book by it's cover!
  • miilreef
    miilreef Member Posts: 21 Connected
    I feel PIP is very hard to claim despite the rhetoric from the DWP about who actually qualifies. I say feel because I can only provide the facts of my experience. 
    The DWP have created an assessment where the name of your condition is immaterial but often the diagnostic criteria for your condition is the best way to illustrate the difficulties. It’s a perfect example of a theory practice gap. I completely understand the theory, it’s very similar to the basis of patient assessment and care planning by nurses known as the Activities of Daily Living. 
    The theory is an aspect of daily living for a healthy person unaffected by disability will create a norm, having a shower for example. Difficulties with this activity are graded and given points in practice. But those points are only awarded if the person experiencing difficulty does so on a consistent basis. It all sounds so simple but it isn’t, never has been and never will be under this system. 
    It may seem like it’s obvious to some people that someone dependent on the use of a wheelchair may experience difficulty showering while someone with pain, fatigue and depression won’t. But it isn’t obvious, the adaptations and aids available for physical disabilities are designed for people with the former problems to be as independent as possible. People in the latter category have very few aids and adaptations available to them other than medication and the support provided by other people. 
    As someone who has a mixture of physical disability, not necessarily obvious unless I’m wearing splints and/or using crutches, as well as pain, fatigue and dysfunction of my autonomic nervous system that isn’t visible, I can assure the people questioning who is ‘deserving’ that anyone who has difficulty performing the everyday tasks that the majority of people take for granted is both deserving and entitled. But that people suffering the ‘invisible’ disabilities actually face an added layer of discrimination, quite often from all angles. Some people struggle for decades before even being diagnosed, people like me who for twenty years remained undiagnosed and denied the support to which I was entitled and desperately needed. PIP is supposed to recognise this and take account of how people actually function, not what their illness labels are, but in practice that doesn’t happen. 
    I have a Blue Badge, I qualified for the enhanced rate mobility of PIP. On a good day I can look like a ‘normal’ person. On a bad day I can’t get off my garden path without falling on my face and ending up cut, bruised and with my confidence further undermined. But I’ve had people accuse me of being drunk, someone wrote ‘piece of ****’ on my car, I’ve had the looks, tuts and general disapproval of people who think they can judge by looking. I had a ‘normal’ life and what I’ve lost leaves me crying myself to sleep at night. I would trade every penny of PIP to have my life back as it was. The whole process of PIP destroys people further, it isolates and undermines, compounding people’s struggles. 
    Frankly, it’s both cruel and ignorant to place lesser value on someone’s disabilities because you don’t understand them. But to do that as an alleged healthcare professional is nothing short of disgraceful and in complete breach of all allied healthcare professionals codes of conduct.
    A measure of a civilised society is how it treats its weakest and most vulnerable members, a lot of people seem to need reminding of that.
  • wilko
    wilko Member Posts: 2,413 Disability Gamechanger
    To all who have had a rant thinking, saying the government wants or hopes the sick and disabled and benefits claimants will turn on each other over falsely claiming. It’s totally untrue, yes those with mental illness find it hard to cope but most can and do daily living activities that puts them outside of meeting the PIP descriptors and claiming PIP. There those who claim and have been claiming DLA for a child claiming they need to care 35 hrs per week yet the child now a teenager can fend for himself, cook a simple meal, travel by bus to school and across the city where he lives. When he was asked to fill in the claim form for PIP as he had turned sixteen he refused so his mother still claiming DLA till he’s eighteen, has worked but now claiming UC so managed to get a park time job 16hrs per week so she can still get all her other benefits, housing,council tax relieve. Yet can still have a holiday abroad mobile phone for herself and three teenagers. A person had three acessments for a blue badge refused each time talking to a friend who is a HP who wrote on the form and a blue badge was granted with out further acessment.
  • zuchon1975
    zuchon1975 Member Posts: 13 Connected
    Yadnad I mostly definitely am not a troll ! and I resent the suggestion. 
    I’m just simply recounting a encounter I had that shocked me.
    If my post has caused offence to anyone ( I don’t see how it could) then I apologise. 
    I’ve decided to take no further part in this online community it seems to be dominated by a few posters who are hostile to others and don’t believe in healthy supportive debate. 
  • Pippa_Alumni
    Pippa_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,799 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @zuchon1975, I'm sorry to hear this.

    Messages over the internet and forums can often be misinterpreted, and so we encourage all members to bear this in mind and present their views with tact. If there's anything further we can assist you with, do get in touch at [email protected]
  • Matilda
    Matilda Member Posts: 2,610 Disability Gamechanger
    I'd say that the HP concerned is envious because he would be ineligible for PIP.  Evidently, he knows nothing about MH ( not that I know much).  There must be descriptors that apply to MH as there are people with MH problems who do qualify. For example many need prompting to do anything.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,469 Disability Gamechanger
    Yadnad I mostly definitely am not a troll ! and I resent the suggestion. 
    I’m just simply recounting a encounter I had that shocked me.
    If my post has caused offence to anyone ( I don’t see how it could) then I apologise. 
    I’ve decided to take no further part in this online community it seems to be dominated by a few posters who are hostile to others and don’t believe in healthy supportive debate. 
    I don’t see that anyone has any issue with your post. Just what it subsequently unleashed. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 23,770 Disability Gamechanger
    wilko said:
    yes those with mental illness find it hard to cope but most can and do daily living activities that puts them outside of meeting the PIP descriptors and claiming PIP.
    Sorry but i totally disagree with this. People with mental health do claim PIP because they need prompting to do a lot of things associated with daily living and the PIP descriptors. It's not about a diagnosis, it's how those conditions affect you daily.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,469 Disability Gamechanger
    wilko said:
    To all who have had a rant thinking, saying the government wants or hopes the sick and disabled and benefits claimants will turn on each other over falsely claiming. It’s totally untrue, yes those with mental illness find it hard to cope but most can and do daily living activities that puts them outside of meeting the PIP descriptors and claiming PIP. There those who claim and have been claiming DLA for a child claiming they need to care 35 hrs per week yet the child now a teenager can fend for himself, cook a simple meal, travel by bus to school and across the city where he lives. When he was asked to fill in the claim form for PIP as he had turned sixteen he refused so his mother still claiming DLA till he’s eighteen, has worked but now claiming UC so managed to get a park time job 16hrs per week so she can still get all her other benefits, housing,council tax relieve. Yet can still have a holiday abroad mobile phone for herself and three teenagers. A person had three acessments for a blue badge refused each time talking to a friend who is a HP who wrote on the form and a blue badge was granted with out further acessment.
    And yet this “totally untrue” thing is evidenced right here on this thread in terms of people turning on each other. Better still, your post actually unleashed the blame game!

    The assertion that most people with mental illness can do daily living activities can only be borne of complete ignorance of both mental ill health and PIP itself. Neither part is true. Most people with even mild anxiety and depression will struggle with performing daily living activities reliably and will qualify for PIP. I see that everyday in work and have worked more than 2 decades alongside a specialist mental health WRO. So, your evidence is what? That you “know someone?” People can slide from anxious to psychotic in minutes. Still, you know better. 

    I’ve no idea whether your DLA for a child example is real or second/third hand but the folly in it is again easy to highlight. 

    1) The 35 hours for Carers Allowance is over 7 days. That’s 5 hours per day and is easily satisfied via at least 1 hour before school and 4 afterwards. So, nothing wrong there. 

    2) Neither being able to cook a meal nor travel by bus to school mean someone can “fend for himself”. Many children with LD for example can be taught repetitive actions in isolation. It doesn’t remove the need for supervision nor mean they can do so safely or without attention/intervention on the way. Bus companies often transport people who have been given explicit travel training to ensure they can do specific journeys. People with LD, sensory impairments or mental ill health for example. One change to a routine or a route and they’re stuffed. So, nothing wrong there either. 

    3) DLA for a child is often awarded for a mix of attention and supervision. You may not see either and seeing the lack of one does not mean the other one is not present. Again, nothing wrong there either.

    4) It is simply impossible to claim DLA to 18 in any circumstances. Whatever you think went on there, it clearly did not.

    5) There is no hours limit for work on UC so that can not possibly be why the person is working 16 hours per week. There is no HB with UC unless they’re in temporary accommodation so that would be housing costs as part of the UC and in any event neither HB nor CTR have any 16 hour rule. Again, nothing wrong there either. Also worth noting that in work poverty now exceeds out of work poverty for the first time.

    6) Most people on benefits not only can’t afford a phone on contract they can’t afford a PC, printer and sometimes not even broadband. Their PAYG phones are often out of credit and yet they’re the sole connection to the outside world and DWP wants them to run UC online only as well.

    7) A holiday abroad? How do you know that either someone else didn’t pay for it or that it wasn’t paid for by debt? How do you know it wasn’t respite care? What on earth is actually wrong with any of that for people living on the breadline? Most professionals would recognise that such breaks can often be the difference between coping and going under and yet you begrudge people this? Why? Because you can’t have it? The politics of envy. Not a pretty thing to put on display in public. 

    8) I represent people daily. If I amend the PIP form to note that they’re not just epileptic but that, despite meds, they still have no warning and thus need assistance from another person am I doing a bad thing in using my professional knowledge to assist? Could it be that the HCP pointed out for example that putting how far you can walk without emphasising that you’re walking with pain is a losing strategy? Perish the thought eh.

    I’m as cynical as the next person but basing your cynicism on facts is okay.

    Rubbishing people when you clearly know nothing of the benefits system nor them is just ill-informed, prejudiced bile. 


  • sarah50
    sarah50 Member Posts: 119 Pioneering
    Wilko I'm extremely offended that you state people with mental health find it hard to cope but don't meet the descriptors. I can only put your comments down to the fact that you yourself are lucky enough not to have experienced depression anxiety etc If you have experienced this you should know better. In my darkest depression I could not get out of bed or speak. I am very lucky to have someone in my life that washed me changed me fed me brushed my hair but there is no way I could have gotten through it on my own I would have died in bed in my own filth. So the descriptors do cover mental health.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 23,770 Disability Gamechanger
    @mikehughescq i applaud you for such a fantastic post! WOW i'm completely blown away. Thank you for that and for all the other advice you give people here..priceless!

  • sarah50
    sarah50 Member Posts: 119 Pioneering
    @mikehughescq thankyou for your post I wish I was as eloquent as yourself.
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    edited October 2018
    Yadnad I mostly definitely am not a troll ! and I resent the suggestion. 
    I’m just simply recounting a encounter I had that shocked me.

    I’ve decided to take no further part in this online community it seems to be dominated by a few posters who are hostile to others and don’t believe in healthy supportive debate. 
    @zuchon1975 Don't be put off sharing your thoughts and your experiences with us, I've seen many on here that believe they own the place, I don't rise to them and I would advise you don't.  Jealousy gets the better of some people and I really woulden't let it get to you.

    I for one found your thread/post okay as you've explained about someone you met and shared it with us.

    Dont walk away as many of use respect you and your input. :)
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • sarah50
    sarah50 Member Posts: 119 Pioneering
    @zuchon1975 I don't think the troll comment was directed at you. As you say you recounted a situation you found shocking, as did I especially if that attitude is widespread among HCP assessors. Not everyone will agree with everything you say but you should feel able to speak up and supported.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 90 Listener
    edited October 2018
    sweet said:
    but then i do not fake the fact i am dieing nor that i suffer daily  but some do and i suspect we all know someone who does


    Sorry but i totally disagree with this too. Benefit fraud is very low. You or anyone else has no idea what goes on behind closed doors, it's very easy to put a smile on your face and pretend there's nothing wrong, to hide the severe pain you experience every day because what's the point of moaning to others, they won't understand if you did. Mental health and autism to name just two, are invisible conditions.  A lot of people will suffer in silence and i'm most certainly one of them. I certainly don't know anyone that claims fraudulently! You simply can't judge a book by it's cover!
    so a man walking with a frame held off the ground? digging his garden ?up a ladder washing windows?with spine injurey ?has benifits plus mobility car is just a fantasey ???ohhh and runs around playing football
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,469 Disability Gamechanger
    edited October 2018
    Good grief. Back to “everybody knows somebody”. What on earth are you trying to prove and why would you think such a plainly silly case would prove it? If you can find where anyone on this thread said there were no individual frauds then quote it. Nor does one plainly silly example prove to the contrary. 

    If this were true then you’d have reported it; there would have been an investigation and maybe even a prosecution. Instead we get another spineless anonymous version of the same old thing. You’re do convinced fraud is everywhere you must surely report it when you find it? It would be irresponsible to not do so! 

    If you know them and haven’t reported them anonymously what are you so scared of? If you don’t know them and you “just heard” them it’s just more vicious unfounded unevidenced gossip. 

    Maybe you did report them and nothing happened? Doubtless that would be down to the incompetence of the investigation rather than the fact they looked and found nothing. 

    Have you tried walking with a walking frame off the ground? Firstly, why would you?  It’s a ludicrois assertion. Secondly you wouldn’t get more than 5 yards. Even if you did it wouldn’t mean you didn’t have a mobility issue. It’s the what happens next which defines disability not what you think you see. 

    There is actually a long standing well known UT decision which talks explicitly about the fact that disability is not defined by sitting in a chair doing nothing and it would be wrong to have any such expectation. I have loads of clients who clean their own windows but that’s their one thing for that day. I’ve also had clients with shocking back issues but who can cycle because it’s a different muscle set. I’ve degeneration at L3 to L5 and a small benign tumour. I can play football but I also have to cross train for 10 minutes every day and do physio exercises as often as needed to maintain my core strength eise I repeatedly buckle to the ground. I also have to do neck exercises every 30 minutes. You won’t see any of that. You’re the person who just sees the football. 

    I use a symbol cane, I move it about so it’s visible to people. I was accused by someone pretty much like you sound of faking my visual impairment because I clearly wasn’t using my cane to navigate. I gave them 5 minutes on what a symbol cane is; some stats on how 95% of people with canes have some vision and a brief and very pointed explanation of what a hate crime is. There is a saying about the emptiest vessels making the loudest noise! 

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 90 Listener
    edited October 2018
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  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,469 Disability Gamechanger
    Well done. You found an individual who committed fraud. Nobody said they didn’t exist. Please provide a link to the news report. In the meantime, and not for the first time, I have reported your personal abuse which you seem unable to resist. 
  • Shlbly
    Shlbly Member Posts: 128 Pioneering
    edited October 2018
    He is always doing it, he did it to me, don’t know why he is still on this forum, I avoid him at all costs and don’t answer his messages.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,469 Disability Gamechanger
    I would guess that the reason I’m still on the forum is because my opinions are backed up with easily verifiable facts and when people disagree I will concentrate on what they posted and not personal abuse or who they are. Both your posts on the other hand have concentrated on me as a poster rather than what I used said. Both have been reported in consequence. 
  • wilko
    wilko Member Posts: 2,413 Disability Gamechanger
    Well said mike, reading other posts it come across that many posters like myself see and hear from claimants who give the impression that they are not as bad as they are portraying. As we don’t live with them 24/7 it’s only a snap shot of what maybe their life is really like. Mike you have worked, been with people who have severe MH problems while most of us have I expect have only seen MH patients on their weekly shopping trip with their Carer. We have to be more educated and view people’s conditions with compassion and not jump to the wrong conclusion. Easy to do so we all must keep an open mind.
  • atlas46
    atlas46 Member Posts: 826 Pioneering
    Hi @mikehughescq

    Like your posts on this thread.

    Also support the fact the you report the abuse aimed at you.

    Blind ignorance has no place, in our community, best left to right wing media.
  • Sam_Alumni
    Sam_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,682 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi everyone, can I please remind you all of f the community guidelines. It is important to remember that words read online don’t always convey tone or context and so may be misinterpreted, therefore it is important to consider language and audience. 

    We want the community to be a safe and supportive place. Please make sure your messages respect other users’ views and suggestions, even if you don’t agree with them. 

    Take care to present your views tactfully.

    Scope
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  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    Sorry to say, but I must admit this has been an interesting thread and it's better than watching Coronation Street or EastEnders and TV in general...

    Sorry @Sam_Scope for posting my reply.❤️
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • Sam_Alumni
    Sam_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,682 Disability Gamechanger
    I think we can have interesting debates with very differing opinions, but this is a safe space for everyone and I hope all members can remember that they can put their opinions across without being confrontational.
    Scope
    Senior online community officer
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    Sam_Scope said:
    I think we can have interesting debates with very differing opinions, but this is a safe space for everyone and I hope all members can remember that they can put their opinions across without being confrontational.

    I agree, @Sam_Scope well said and after all where all in the same boat needing help and or support. ❤️ Love and peace to all.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • Matilda
    Matilda Member Posts: 2,610 Disability Gamechanger
    This is a public forum where anyone can comment in a reasonable way.  It is not a private consultation forum such as a one to one in an office setting.
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    Matilda said:
    This is a public forum where anyone can comment in a reasonable way.  It is not a private consultation forum such as a one to one in an office setting.

    Yes @Matilda hope your well, and you also right everyone has the right to speak and give their reasons and opinions.

    By the way Matilda have you heard anything at all since you've had your ongoing PIP, I haven't, and still awaiting what the (light touch review) is at the ten year point which they the DWP were going to publish at the end of this summer? 
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • Matilda
    Matilda Member Posts: 2,610 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @Government_needs_reform

    Hope you are well.

    No, I've heard nothing and hope I don't for another 8 years when the 10 years is up!

    I haven't heard anything about the light touch review.
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    @Matilda  hope your well as can be expected too.

    Well two years for you gone already, mines a year November good god where's the time fly.

    Ive not heard anything either about light touch and I hope we don't have to go through it all again my nerves can't take it.

    Drop me a PM if you hear anything regarding the above. 💌
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


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    ahhh protect the bully? do not email me with site rules you just keep protecting bullys and big mouth abusers who insult every poster as if they are stupid or thick 
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  • Sam_Alumni
    Sam_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,682 Disability Gamechanger
    @sweet you are entitled to your opinions, but abusive name calling will not be permitted as per the community guidelines.  If you would like to discuss this further, then please email us on [email protected]

    I am now closing this discussion.
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