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Grandma49
Grandma49 Member Posts: 3 Listener
I have asked 4 hospital consultants if they knew about pip. All negative responses. Not interested. Same at gp surgery 3 gps asked - said they were not interested. How can I ask for help in supporting my claim? 
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  • wilko
    wilko Member Posts: 2,449 Disability Gamechanger
    Why do you need their help for your PIP claim surly you have all your medical notes and hospital letters reports? PIP is about how your health  conditions disability’s effect you in daily life in meeting the PIP descriptors, the fact that the doctors don’t know about PIP or any other benefits is neither here or there its your daily activities and how they effect, and impact your daily living that all PIP is about.
  • Grandma49
    Grandma49 Member Posts: 3 Listener
    No I don’t have all the letters - that’s why I asked the medics if they could help me.
  • PIPQuestions
    PIPQuestions Member Posts: 32 Connected
    They should know about pip or I'd question their qualifications... Maybe call it DLA ? 

    If that fails just tell them it's a benefit that you're applying for and you'd like a copy of your medical records 
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    They should know about pip or I'd question their qualifications... Maybe call it DLA ? 

    If that fails just tell them it's a benefit that you're applying for and you'd like a copy of your medical records 
    To be honest there is no need for a consultant to know anything about the benefit system for him to carry out his role of a consultant.

    I'm a qualified accountant specialising in fraud detection and forensic accounting. I know almost zilch about the benefit system other than what I have learned from making claims that failed and what I have learnt on this site.

    Asking for a copy of your hospital medical records is a totally different thing. That can be done by applying direct to the hospital trust direct.
    You may find that your GP holds copies of the consultant's reports.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,379 Disability Gamechanger
    It's perfectly normal for a Consultant and GP not to know anything about PIP, i've no idea why they would have to know anything about it. That statement is ridiculous.
  • CockneyRebel
    CockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,216 Disability Gamechanger
    Medical " evidence " is of little use for a PIP claim. The asessment and award are based on functionality and not on condition, diagnosis or illness. For a successful claim you need to concentrate on showing that you meet the desciptors and criteria for an award

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    Medical " evidence " is of little use for a PIP claim. The asessment and award are based on functionality and not on condition, diagnosis or illness. For a successful claim you need to concentrate on showing that you meet the desciptors and criteria for an award

    CR
    ….and provide evidence that what you claim are the problems are backed up. 
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    Your best approach is ask for functional evidence. Don't rely on the DWP to ask for it.


    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    One of the main reasons for bringing out UC was for the government to cut back on benefits being paid out - sort of carrot and stick.
    Changing it to anything else won't really make any difference - there will still be the cuts.
    The government see it that people claiming benefits have had it too easy for far too long. The intention is to force people into work.
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    edited November 2018
    Yadnad said:
    One of the main reasons for bringing out UC was for the government to cut back on benefits being paid out - sort of carrot and stick.
    Changing it to anything else won't really make any difference - there will still be the cuts.
    The government see it that people claiming benefits have had it too easy for far too long. The intention is to force people into work.

    @yadnad I'm not sure if your post is directed at me regarding UC?
     
    If it is then, it's in my signature as I'm asking members to sign the petition run by the Mirror news paper.

    Im fully aware of the situation regarding UC and the reasons behind it why and what it's all about.

    Im also involved on other protests fighting for change, or getting this stopped as it's ruining many lives.

    I've also sent some very strongly worded letters to the Prime Minister Theresa May, Amber Rudd and Alok Sharma and the DWP to force change, and make them realise what the United Nations has to say about the poverty, homelessness, starving etc in our country, as this cannot be ignored to many lives are being lost through this harsh regime the government has put on the British people.

    Edited also to add. This benefit affects people in and out of work, as all 6 various benefits are being rolled into 1.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • Misscleo
    Misscleo Member Posts: 647 Pioneering
    Please give more info.
    Are you asking for signatures 
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    Misscleo said:
    Please give more info.
    Are you asking for signatures 

    @Misscleo yes the more the better. if you follow down on my signature there's a link that will take you to the page you can then add your support.  

    Or use this direct link here https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-stop-the-rollout-of-universal-credit-and-replace-it-with-a-fairer-system
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,845 Connected
    Yadnad said:
    Medical " evidence " is of little use for a PIP claim. The asessment and award are based on functionality and not on condition, diagnosis or illness. For a successful claim you need to concentrate on showing that you meet the desciptors and criteria for an award

    CR
    ….and provide evidence that what you claim are the problems are backed up. 
    No requirement to do that at all. Just examples of what happened last time or two you attempted each activity for which you wish to claim points. Government_needs_reform said:
    Your best approach is ask for functional evidence. Don't rely on the DWP to ask for it.


    Functional evidence is limited and tells you little if relevance to PIP. A consultant can describe how far you can flex your knee and your ankle. Tells you literally zilch about whether you can do those things reliably, repeatedly etc. 
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    I agree @mikehughescq that funchional information can be limited? But in my case I see consultants etc on a regular basis, and have done for years and they can see what and how things effect me functionally, in my case I dont function very well at all.
     
    You would only have to look at me to see Iam a complete wreck.

    I would say if people don't have much proof of functional input on how it affects them it may well be harder I don't know. 

    All I do know my Health professionals wtrote what I can't do as I see them 4 times a week the other days I'm drugged up on all my medication.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • Grandma49
    Grandma49 Member Posts: 3 Listener
    Ok. Thank you for the imput.
  • abrami
    abrami Member Posts: 12 Listener
    the problem the gov has is and everybody knows someone who does cheat. There are people up and down this country both legal and illegal that claim this benefit or that just for extra money they don't really need, and it is all parts of the system that is taken advantage of people coming into country to use the nhs for free others illegally in the country claiming and people not paying the right amount of tax on there business others working and claiming the list goes on . If all of this was not going on there would be no poverty in this country as the money would go to those in NEED not GREED .
      
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,845 Connected
    Sigh. Been here before. Please rethink your post. Everybody “thinks” they know a cheat but not only do the statistics show that that cannot be true but they have been qualified as inaccurate for 19 consecutive years. Poverty does not and never has existed because of fraud. It is a political construct and choice and even rhe UN recognise that. Most disabled people have invisible impairments and it’s a huge insult to them to start bandying about some supposed knowledge about benefit cheats. It’s negligible and irrelevant and turning on other people such as yourself is exactly the sort of distraction governments welcome. 

    Your NHS and migration comments are equally inaccurate and basically prejudice that needs calling out. You have basically bought into every Daily Mail headline ever. 
  • abrami
    abrami Member Posts: 12 Listener
    With respect I personal know of people joking about how easy it is to get benefits never said it was the whole or only problem but like insurance where price is going up because of fraud I personally don't read or buy into what other people or papers say it's what I see daily it has absolutely nothing to do with blaming imagination or race sex and I take offence at you suggest that that is what I meant I am saying if to many people take and not enough give well you work it out.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,379 Disability Gamechanger
    Very few people claim benefits fraudulently and i'm not sure what insurance has to do with a benefits claim. You can't judge a by it's cover either and lots of people have invisible conditions/disabilities.
  • Tardis
    Tardis Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    PIP is not an out of work benefit.  PIP claimants could well be paying high rate tax.  Or their claiming it may enable them to pay for care in order that their partner can work and pay tax.  The taking and giving are not mutually exclusive.

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