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Doctors have not heard of pip

Grandma49Grandma49 Member Posts: 3 Listener
I have asked 4 hospital consultants if they knew about pip. All negative responses. Not interested. Same at gp surgery 3 gps asked - said they were not interested. How can I ask for help in supporting my claim? 

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  • wilkowilko Member Posts: 2,284 Disability Gamechanger
    Why do you need their help for your PIP claim surly you have all your medical notes and hospital letters reports? PIP is about how your health  conditions disability’s effect you in daily life in meeting the PIP descriptors, the fact that the doctors don’t know about PIP or any other benefits is neither here or there its your daily activities and how they effect, and impact your daily living that all PIP is about.
  • Grandma49Grandma49 Member Posts: 3 Listener
    No I don’t have all the letters - that’s why I asked the medics if they could help me.
  • PIPQuestionsPIPQuestions Member Posts: 32 Connected
    They should know about pip or I'd question their qualifications... Maybe call it DLA ? 

    If that fails just tell them it's a benefit that you're applying for and you'd like a copy of your medical records 
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    They should know about pip or I'd question their qualifications... Maybe call it DLA ? 

    If that fails just tell them it's a benefit that you're applying for and you'd like a copy of your medical records 
    To be honest there is no need for a consultant to know anything about the benefit system for him to carry out his role of a consultant.

    I'm a qualified accountant specialising in fraud detection and forensic accounting. I know almost zilch about the benefit system other than what I have learned from making claims that failed and what I have learnt on this site.

    Asking for a copy of your hospital medical records is a totally different thing. That can be done by applying direct to the hospital trust direct.
    You may find that your GP holds copies of the consultant's reports.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    It's perfectly normal for a Consultant and GP not to know anything about PIP, i've no idea why they would have to know anything about it. That statement is ridiculous.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    Medical " evidence " is of little use for a PIP claim. The asessment and award are based on functionality and not on condition, diagnosis or illness. For a successful claim you need to concentrate on showing that you meet the desciptors and criteria for an award

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Medical " evidence " is of little use for a PIP claim. The asessment and award are based on functionality and not on condition, diagnosis or illness. For a successful claim you need to concentrate on showing that you meet the desciptors and criteria for an award

    CR
    ….and provide evidence that what you claim are the problems are backed up. 
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    Your best approach is ask for functional evidence. Don't rely on the DWP to ask for it.


    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    One of the main reasons for bringing out UC was for the government to cut back on benefits being paid out - sort of carrot and stick.
    Changing it to anything else won't really make any difference - there will still be the cuts.
    The government see it that people claiming benefits have had it too easy for far too long. The intention is to force people into work.
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited November 2018
    Yadnad said:
    One of the main reasons for bringing out UC was for the government to cut back on benefits being paid out - sort of carrot and stick.
    Changing it to anything else won't really make any difference - there will still be the cuts.
    The government see it that people claiming benefits have had it too easy for far too long. The intention is to force people into work.

    @yadnad I'm not sure if your post is directed at me regarding UC?
     
    If it is then, it's in my signature as I'm asking members to sign the petition run by the Mirror news paper.

    Im fully aware of the situation regarding UC and the reasons behind it why and what it's all about.

    Im also involved on other protests fighting for change, or getting this stopped as it's ruining many lives.

    I've also sent some very strongly worded letters to the Prime Minister Theresa May, Amber Rudd and Alok Sharma and the DWP to force change, and make them realise what the United Nations has to say about the poverty, homelessness, starving etc in our country, as this cannot be ignored to many lives are being lost through this harsh regime the government has put on the British people.

    Edited also to add. This benefit affects people in and out of work, as all 6 various benefits are being rolled into 1.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • MisscleoMisscleo Member Posts: 646 Pioneering
    Please give more info.
    Are you asking for signatures 
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    Misscleo said:
    Please give more info.
    Are you asking for signatures 

    @Misscleo yes the more the better. if you follow down on my signature there's a link that will take you to the page you can then add your support.  

    Or use this direct link here https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-stop-the-rollout-of-universal-credit-and-replace-it-with-a-fairer-system
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,931 Disability Gamechanger
    Yadnad said:
    Medical " evidence " is of little use for a PIP claim. The asessment and award are based on functionality and not on condition, diagnosis or illness. For a successful claim you need to concentrate on showing that you meet the desciptors and criteria for an award

    CR
    ….and provide evidence that what you claim are the problems are backed up. 
    No requirement to do that at all. Just examples of what happened last time or two you attempted each activity for which you wish to claim points. Government_needs_reform said:
    Your best approach is ask for functional evidence. Don't rely on the DWP to ask for it.


    Functional evidence is limited and tells you little if relevance to PIP. A consultant can describe how far you can flex your knee and your ankle. Tells you literally zilch about whether you can do those things reliably, repeatedly etc. 
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    I agree @mikehughescq that funchional information can be limited? But in my case I see consultants etc on a regular basis, and have done for years and they can see what and how things effect me functionally, in my case I dont function very well at all.
     
    You would only have to look at me to see Iam a complete wreck.

    I would say if people don't have much proof of functional input on how it affects them it may well be harder I don't know. 

    All I do know my Health professionals wtrote what I can't do as I see them 4 times a week the other days I'm drugged up on all my medication.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • Grandma49Grandma49 Member Posts: 3 Listener
    Ok. Thank you for the imput.
  • abramiabrami Member Posts: 12 Listener
    the problem the gov has is and everybody knows someone who does cheat. There are people up and down this country both legal and illegal that claim this benefit or that just for extra money they don't really need, and it is all parts of the system that is taken advantage of people coming into country to use the nhs for free others illegally in the country claiming and people not paying the right amount of tax on there business others working and claiming the list goes on . If all of this was not going on there would be no poverty in this country as the money would go to those in NEED not GREED .
      
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,931 Disability Gamechanger
    Sigh. Been here before. Please rethink your post. Everybody “thinks” they know a cheat but not only do the statistics show that that cannot be true but they have been qualified as inaccurate for 19 consecutive years. Poverty does not and never has existed because of fraud. It is a political construct and choice and even rhe UN recognise that. Most disabled people have invisible impairments and it’s a huge insult to them to start bandying about some supposed knowledge about benefit cheats. It’s negligible and irrelevant and turning on other people such as yourself is exactly the sort of distraction governments welcome. 

    Your NHS and migration comments are equally inaccurate and basically prejudice that needs calling out. You have basically bought into every Daily Mail headline ever. 
  • abramiabrami Member Posts: 12 Listener
    With respect I personal know of people joking about how easy it is to get benefits never said it was the whole or only problem but like insurance where price is going up because of fraud I personally don't read or buy into what other people or papers say it's what I see daily it has absolutely nothing to do with blaming imagination or race sex and I take offence at you suggest that that is what I meant I am saying if to many people take and not enough give well you work it out.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Very few people claim benefits fraudulently and i'm not sure what insurance has to do with a benefits claim. You can't judge a by it's cover either and lots of people have invisible conditions/disabilities.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • TardisTardis Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    PIP is not an out of work benefit.  PIP claimants could well be paying high rate tax.  Or their claiming it may enable them to pay for care in order that their partner can work and pay tax.  The taking and giving are not mutually exclusive.
  • abramiabrami Member Posts: 12 Listener
    Ok I will respectful disagree and leave it there thank you for comments .
  • C_Herath2009C_Herath2009 Member Posts: 26 Listener
    perhaps you should go for an Assesment?No Proffesional (Would back someone that was fraudately claiming this is very depressing you seem to have the view that we are all scrounging ?Wanting something for nothing i consider myself LUCKY (However given the choice i would give up every penny not to have a Brain Injury..Epilepsy and a back and Pelvis that is held together with TITANIUM?Or attend a day center for brain injured people ?I am 42 ?I have a 9 year old his life and mine have been turned upside down (I had a good job ,was well paid ,paid all my bills and always still apreciate other peoples predicaments that there is someon out there worse OFF ?(Such as a young child with Cancer ?)Are they working the system ?(Please don't bother to respond ...)Maybe you should try falling off a toilet and being incontant?Or having a seizure in front of a young child..My Son has more compasion than you do in your big toe he gives to all charitys and so do
    i when i can ...Have you ever thought about people like MY OWN BROTHER who refuses all Benifits because he was in a well Paid job has Cancer was in Hospital for 9 Months ?But could NOT JUSTIFY claiming a penny dispite being told he would never walk again?We are NOT scroungers none off us chose tobe in this position i am MEDICALLY Retired and have 80 year old parents careing for me and my SON my Brother went back to work in a wheelchair because he was well enough to?I would personally rather have my HEALTH BACK ...Than be trying to point out the obvious -that your slightly confused or Delusional 
  • abramiabrami Member Posts: 12 Listener
    My last word on this you have all misunderstanding what I said as a man of 68 who worked from age 15 son of immigrants parents have more than my share of illness arthritis/emphysema/had kidney removed last month and the ice ingredients on the cake terminal cancer .I had no intention of talking about this but as I have been attacked for my views thought I would put the record straight .never said everyone was a benefit cheet and as someone that is very grateful of NHS / benefit system and I think maybe people that did not know my circumstances also jumped to conclusion about me too shame on you. 
  • abramiabrami Member Posts: 12 Listener
    He rather just to say I wish I had my health to and I would gladly hand back my benifits
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited November 2018
    You're the one that started your comment by talking about benefit cheats ... no one has jumped to any conclusions here. I'm also sorry to hear of your conditions.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • C_Herath2009C_Herath2009 Member Posts: 26 Listener
    Join our club then as my son thinks he is being deported....Thanks and Sorry with a Brain Injury you just pushed all my Buttons ;i got the wrong end off the stick and i appologise my Dad is 80
    and still attempting to work part time to keep us afloat..So your in our Canoo minus a paddle ..I am sorry for you..
  • abramiabrami Member Posts: 12 Listener
    Hearth thank you for apologie I can understand when life is hard it's hard hope things work out for you too.
    Poppy I said there where people cheating the system not EVERONE but you àre welcome to your opinion as am I.
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited November 2018
    Hi all I've just had my health professionals do things for me because I can't. I've just seen and I now read these reply's here regarding benefit cheats. I'm with others here regarding our situations health wise, I certainly would also give up my support and be able to do the jobs and life I used to have.

    Iam adding the statistics showing that benefit fraud is very very small. Also anyone in there right mind would rather not claim because of all the hoops you have to go through to get what one is entitled too.



    So as you can quite clealy see its minimal. So now I've shared this I'm now going to take my pills and rest.

    Also to add people think before you type and especially what you type about as it's not right to offend anyone.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @Government_needs_reform thanks for sharing that. Hope you're well! Enjoy your rest and take care!
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • abramiabrami Member Posts: 12 Listener
    I was not going to answer as I have asked to be unsubscribe but you parting shot is a cheep one when you say you hope I am well I did tell you I had terminal cancer and you say enjoy your rest and take care ! WELL MADAM OR SIR I hope when you are looking at YOUR last Xmas that people you come in contact with that don't happen to agree with you have more empathy than you poses I leave you with that thought I have wasted enough of my time trying to explain myself and have much better things on my bucket list that I should be dealing with . I wish you all a merry Xmas.
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    abrami said:
    ...….not paying the right amount of tax on there business others working and claiming the list goes on . If all of this was not going on there would be no poverty in this country as the money would go to those in NEED not GREED .
      
    Well, I'm 70 and my wife is 75. I still pay tax on all of my income except my state pension - yet I can't manage to claim any disability benefits because (a) I am too old (PIP finishes at 65) and (b) I am not ill, disabled enough to warrant carers looking after me.

    So it seems that I am contributing to those that do claim benefits but I never complain about them illegal or legal and personally don't get anything in return.


    Each to their own I say.
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Very few people claim benefits fraudulently and i'm not sure what insurance has to do with a benefits claim. You can't judge a by it's cover either and lots of people have invisible conditions/disabilities.
    few? meaning two or a couple?

    I personally know of two that are actually working and claiming, one who has three hairdressing saloon/beauty shops yet discloses a profit of just above the minimum wage for the hours worked. (cash business and not knowing what to spend it on) one (a couple) who receives Standard Care of PIP and are over 60 who also claims Pension Credit and has an income close to £700 a week based on benefits and works in the black economy as a plumber.

    Obviously I have no intention of naming names as the above information came by way of discussions I have had with them in the past and is confidential. .
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    abrami said:
    I was not going to answer as I have asked to be unsubscribe
    You do not need to unsubscribe, simply close the tab and don't reopen it.
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @abrami if you read my comments when i said enjoy your rest and take care, i wasn't actually talking to you! I was talking to Government_needs reform, which is why i tagged that person, not yourself. Thanks.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @Yadnad so if you're 100% sure on that, i'll assume you did what you should have done and reported them?
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Yes absolutely sure. Those families I have worked with over the past 3 years in my role as their local councillor. It would be unethical for me to pass this information on and if found that I have, trust in me would vanish.
    The cheekiest is the family where the wife runs the hairdressers shops.
    Prior to UC, they were claiming Tax credits for the children and themselves on the basis of a low income.
    Yet in one year spending £10,000 on a rolex watch for her, a £5000 diamond engagement ring and a new Range Rover Sport costing in excess of £70,000 (minus the p/x for the 3 year old model) + regular holidays abroad!

    Some paid for in cash outright whilst the car (balance) and the watch were paid for on a friend's credit card where she handed over the equivalent amount in cash to cover the card payment (making the transactions for them, untraceable). 

    People have no idea what actually goes on in real life.
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited November 2018
    @Government_needs_reform thanks for sharing that. Hope you're well! Enjoy your rest and take care!

    Thanks just seen you message @poppy123456 👍🏻❤️just woke up for a bit and still not to good atmo. Thanks for caring I really feel sick today can't seem to feel right today, but I'm like that most days.😢

    Edited to add I'm glad those statistics was useful. Poppy👍🏻

    @yadnad hope your well just caught up again on this thread it's really changed from what is was and as always you have some interesting story's to share with us 😂😂😂😂😂 hope your keeping well, as for those getting all that money that's what really gets to me it really does.

    No I certainly don't know what goes on these days I'm either stuck in, and only get a little gossip from my HPs that's it. Oh and from here of course.🤪
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • TardisTardis Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    You certainly seem to mix with a lot of fraudsters Yadnad.  I guess that must have affected your outlook on life.

    Back to the OP, you can ask for copies of letters sent from your consultant to your GP.  They may, or may not, be helpful with a PIP claim.  The most important evidence comes from you filling out the form properly.  Explain in your own words, with recent examples, what happens when you try to do the various activities that are asked about.  
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I love your humour @Government_needs_reform you always make me laugh. Take care now!
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,931 Disability Gamechanger
    edited November 2018
    abrami said:
    the problem the gov has is and everybody knows someone who does cheat. There are people up and down this country both legal and illegal that claim this benefit or that just for extra money they don't really need, and it is all parts of the system that is taken advantage of people coming into country to use the nhs for free others illegally in the country claiming and people not paying the right amount of tax on there business others working and claiming the list goes on . If all of this was not going on there would be no poverty in this country as the money would go to those in NEED not GREED .
      
    With all due respect when you say “everybody knows someone” you are inferring a huge issue. When you say that you see it “daily” I don’t see there can be any doubt you were inferring there are huge numbers of people who are fraudsters and it’s the main issue. It’s disingeneous to now claim otherwise. 

    I agree @mikehughescq that funchional information can be limited? But in my case I see consultants etc on a regular basis, and have done for years and they can see what and how things effect me functionally, in my case I dont function very well at all.
     
    You would only have to look at me to see Iam a complete wreck.

    I would say if people don't have much proof of functional input on how it affects them it may well be harder I don't know. 

    All I do know my Health professionals wtrote what I can't do as I see them 4 times a week the other days I'm drugged up on all my medication.

    I hear what you’re saying but what I’d say is that the functional stuff you’re talking about is nothing to do with PIP.  Your consultant sees you come in/go out of their room. What could they possibly conclude about your functional ability to cook unless they see you do it; to eat unless they see you do it; to budget; toilet and so on? Anything they write on the back of seeing you in a consulting room is  speculation based on what you tell them rather than what they see. If they’re prepared to write down what you say then that means they think it credible but that’s not medical evidence. It’s the same as your neighbour saying “yes, on what I can see, that seems credible. Yadnad said:
    Very few people claim benefits fraudulently and i'm not sure what insurance has to do with a benefits claim. You can't judge a by it's cover either and lots of people have invisible conditions/disabilities.
    few? meaning two or a couple?

    I personally know of two that are actually working and claiming, one who has three hairdressing saloon/beauty shops yet discloses a profit of just above the minimum wage for the hours worked. (cash business and not knowing what to spend it on) one (a couple) who receives Standard Care of PIP and are over 60 who also claims Pension Credit and has an income close to £700 a week based on benefits and works in the black economy as a plumber.

    Obviously I have no intention of naming names as the above information came by way of discussions I have had with them in the past and is confidential. .
    I find stuff like this faintly ridiculous. I’ve dealt with the hairdressing trade for years and there’s very little money in it. It’s largely a mugs game and highly credible that profits will be negligible to nil.  As for the pensioner couple how about you put those figures into a benefit calculator and see if you can make it get to £700. I guarantee it won’t happen.




  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited November 2018
    I love your humour @Government_needs_reform you always make me laugh. Take care now!

    @poppy123456 that's about the only thing I have left sometimes is my humour, glad I bring a smile to at least ones face🤣🤣🤣🤣 you also keep are chin up because I don't want it falling down🤪

    @mikehughescq yes I also understand where your also coming from as I said I have consultants come to me at home "I don't really like talking about this stuff" I hope you understand a bit more why, plus I have other HPs keep an eye on me I'm on a special watch list because of things I've done to myself over the years, I should be dead by now which what I've done to myself, I've spent many time in institutions also and yes they do see how I live or not well in my case.

    So for me I have so much **** going on in my head and added with all my physical problems, if you could see me you certainly would understand.

    I did and had a great life before all my issues, accident's and things of the past not good.



    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,931 Disability Gamechanger
    @Government_needs_reform I’ve always said medical reports are of negligible use bar in LD and mental ill health cases. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @mikehughescq when going through a PIP review am i right in saying you did say that you can ask for an ongoing award?

    Do i ask for this based on the medical evidence provided from community learning disabilities team that her conditions are life long, reports state the help/support she needs and how her conditions affect her. I value your advice please before i send the review forms in the next 2 days.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    @Government_needs_reform I’ve always said medical reports are of negligible use bar in LD and mental ill health cases. 

    @mikehughescq yes that makes more sense then as those reports explain everything in more detail plus added with the diagnosis I know it's not about the diagnosis? But there all part and parcel.

    Poppy I hope mike gets back to you before sending that review form off. Good luck with it😀
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,931 Disability Gamechanger
    @mikehughescq when going through a PIP review am i right in saying you did say that you can ask for an ongoing award?

    Do i ask for this based on the medical evidence provided from community learning disabilities team that her conditions are life long, reports state the help/support she needs and how her conditions affect her. I value your advice please before i send the review forms in the next 2 days.
    Yes. Ask for an ongoing award and explain why. History of your awards. Nature of condition etc. Also, specifically ask them to identify the piece of evidence which justifies a shorter award.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Thanks @mikehughescq much appreciated! Thank you also @Government_needs_reform
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Tardis said:
    You certainly seem to mix with a lot of fraudsters Yadnad.  I guess that must have affected your outlook on life.

    You could say that - all 44 years of them. Cases ranging from multi million £'s involving money laundering, drug dealers, so called professionals who decided that working was not for them as fraud was much more lucrative, a convicted murder who was also involved in a high value gold bullion robbery, a public school bursar that defrauded the school account and my favourite a twice convicted paedophile who just couldn't stop making and downloading child porn and then selling it to an internet site (the nearest I ever came to knocking him from one wall to the next in the interview room - and oh yes a well known TV & music personality - out of a girl band.
    Most of those few cases hit the TV and the newspapers one way or another.

    Yep it's no wonder that I find it difficult to accept anything anybody says as being the truth having spent most of my life dealing with those types.
  • TardisTardis Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    edited November 2018
    Yadnad said:
    Tardis said:
    You certainly seem to mix with a lot of fraudsters Yadnad.  I guess that must have affected your outlook on life.

    You could say that - all 44 years of them. Cases ranging from multi million £'s involving money laundering, drug dealers, so called professionals who decided that working was not for them as fraud was much more lucrative, a convicted murder who was also involved in a high value gold bullion robbery, a public school bursar that defrauded the school account and my favourite a twice convicted paedophile who just couldn't stop making and downloading child porn and then selling it to an internet site (the nearest I ever came to knocking him from one wall to the next in the interview room - and oh yes a well known TV & music personality - out of a girl band.
    Most of those few cases hit the TV and the newspapers one way or another.

    Yep it's no wonder that I find it difficult to accept anything anybody says as being the truth having spent most of my life dealing with those types.

    Weren't you medically retired after the armed robbery in the mid 90s?  That must have been quite an early internet crime case.  And please don't try and minimise it by using the term child porn.  It's images of child abuse.
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Tardis said:





    Weren't you medically retired after the armed robbery in the mid 90s?  That must have been quite an early internet crime case.  And please don't try and minimise it by using the term child porn.  It's images of child abuse.
    No I wasn't 'medically retired in 1995, I went on unpaid sick leave In 2000 I went back to work only because of after 5 years of seeing the insides of mental institutions I had had enough and besides which I was bored stiff with inactivity. I worked during the day and eventually started to mix alcohol with the anti psychotics and anti depressants at night in order to shut off the mess in my head. I dropped off the radar of the CMHT so as to avoid any more contact with them.

    Then in 2004 I went down with Acute Pancreatitis which developed into full blown Chronic Pancreatitis because of the amount of booze I was consuming.

    After spending months in hospital I went back to work until 2008 when I turned 60 and retired permanently.
     
    Then in 2011 I restarted my DLA claim (the old one was closed down in 2004 as I did not send back the renewal form). 

    Now looking back I didn't do myself any favours in the way I acted. The demons came back with a vengeance hence why my GP treats part of the problem (depression) with the max dose of Sertraline. I need to get what is in my head out and accept that when I had the chance to do that previously I turned it down.

    My changed personality (from the brain damage caused at the same time of the robbery) is my worst enemy - too late to treat it now - I discharged myself from hospital when I was flown there by HEMS in South London. 
  • TardisTardis Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    That doesn't sound like it was an ideal working environment to return to after those experiences.  You sound like you need a new project.  How about campaigning for a welfare advice service in your area?
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    edited November 2018
    Tardis said:
    That doesn't sound like it was an ideal working environment to return to after those experiences.  You sound like you need a new project.  How about campaigning for a welfare advice service in your area?
    Depends on how you view it. If you are a person that has never seen or experienced large scale trauma then yes I can understand what you say. But having been in the forces in the late 60's+ and having experienced what went on in NI then it was nothing that unusual - been shot at many times before. It's people that make it worse by panicking.

    That really will put me up against over 50% of the local population and not do much for my popularity at the forthcoming elections next May.

    The main question to solve is who is going to pay for such a service? The Council Taxpayer?

    When my council axed their in house welfare rights advisory and support service a few years back, there was little support in wanting it to change it's mind and retain it. More concern was raised over the state of the local council gardens not being replenished during the seasons of the year due to the cuts in staff and cost of plants
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,931 Disability Gamechanger
    Things have moved on considerably. UC, food banks, street homelessness. Most LAs are waking up to the fact that a web page with “information” or “signposting” won’t cut it and councillors are largely ignoring officers who claim otherwise. 
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Things have moved on considerably. UC, food banks, street homelessness. Most LAs are waking up to the fact that a web page with “information” or “signposting” won’t cut it and councillors are largely ignoring officers who claim otherwise. 
    Councillors in the main and I include myself in that rank just accept that what is will be. At the end of the day money is in short supply - cuts have to be made that will have to be accepted by the majority.

    Not good I know, but it is reality.

    Being in a fairly wealthy area, my ward consists of, in the main, the retired, professional middle aged  and a small enclave of those in Social Housing.

    Whilst I would love to be able to signpost those who needed welfare advice to an officer but I have to consider what the majority of the area would want their money spent on.

    At the moment it is off street parking, travellers (the legal costs of removing them) and the redevelopment of the council offices and the community centre that takes pride of place for the available funds.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,931 Disability Gamechanger
    I don’t accept your comment re: councillors. That may be your experience but it’s far from the norm. The majority of your area presumably don’t want homeless people on their doorstep; food banks; increased crime...
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Certainly not - would you?
    We are looking to extend the Public Space Protection Orders, They already cover the city centre and most of the wealthier suburbs now we are looking to include the areas around the two universities as well as anything within the ring road.

    Obviously I have reservations about this as all that will happen is to move people on to other areas which will cause problems for those residents.


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,931 Disability Gamechanger
    But those are all the things you get when people find themselves wrongly removed from benefits! Local economy loses money; gains crime; destitution; homelessness and so on. For every £1 spent on welfare rights between £4 and £7 is created for the local economy. You actually damage the local economy by not having such a service. It thus pays for itself
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    edited December 2018
    But those are all the things you get when people find themselves wrongly removed from benefits! Local economy loses money; gains crime; destitution; homelessness and so on. For every £1 spent on welfare rights between £4 and £7 is created for the local economy. You actually damage the local economy by not having such a service. It thus pays for itself
    I cannot see many that would agree. There just isn't the stomach to put money into welfare rights in the belief that the council taxpayers would be directly funding people who are aiming to maximise their welfare entitlement. In that way the welfare budget would be a problem for the Chancellor being caused by taxpayers funding it.
    Besides which many sectors of society see their own environment as more important than paying for such a service. If that environment is being plagued by rough sleepers, crime, drugs etc the majority would want that sorted as a matter of priority - enforcing a PSPO is what they would want - move them on to someone else's patch! As an example you only have to look at Blackpool. A once middle and working class town and popular holiday resort. Get behind the sea front and what do you see - deprivation on every corner. Why? because the council allowed it to happen - it is now a haven of bedsits and squalor. It is normal to see people queuing outside the ATM in the middle of the night waiting for their money to be paid in from the DWP. Then they do their 'shopping' at the many all night supermarkets or maybe scoring for drugs from the many dealers that are hanging around.

    As I have said I am not in full agreement with these proposals, but it's the electorate that dictates the policies.


      
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,931 Disability Gamechanger
    Your first paragraph is one of the most bizarre things I’ve read in a long time. Quite literally the exact opposite of what is slowly taking place at differing rates throughout the UK. 

    Equally your assertion that Blackpool is as it is somehow because of the council. Well, words truly fail. Blackpool has been as it is for around half a century. Recent central government policies have accelerated that but it has almost nothing to do with the local council at all. 
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