Pip assessment copy

jesspet1

hello, thank you for reading.


i have received my assessment copy today, from what I can figure out I have scored 14 points in high rate mobility component. With 10 points on questions 12 and 4 points on question 11, has anyone had any  Experiences with this is it likely I will get high rate? Thank you.

poppy123456

Hi,

Yes you can be awarded Enhanced mobility by scoring points in both descriptors of the mobility part. Usually they go with the report, it's rare to go against it. You will have to wait for a decision to be made to know for sure. Did you add the scores for the daily living part as well?

jesspet1

Hello poppy, okay that’s nice to hear. 
I have added them separate thay totalled 20 points and then 14 for mobility.

jesspet1

Has anybody had the same experience when they’ve got the copy and then got their decision letter and they’ve been awarded the higher rate? Iv been waiting 7 weeks I know they have a back log. Just impatient!

poppy123456

No problem. As i advised, they mostly go with the report, it's rare to go against it. I've had 3 reports for PIP and the decision went with the report every time.

There's no timescales to decisions. Backlogs is just part of the reason a decision can be delayed. Christmas would have extended that waiting time.

jesspet1

Yes I totally understand it does take time for them to get through them all. 
Oh really, so it’s likely from what Iv worked out is what I should receive, 
im
hoping Iv worked it out right!x

Yadnad

Absolutely, in my 3 cases the report that came with the decision letter both agreed - 0 points!

jesspet1

Yadnad, 0 points? It’s been suggested that Iv totalled 14 on mobility? Or do you mean you’ve reicived 0 points?

Fibro_Pincess

I too have had 14 points mobility and 10/12 points daily living, but as the assessor bodged my report, I scored 0 😭

got to go to court to prove how ill I am 

hayles123

Hii got my report back yesterday and I think I may of scored 0 too? Not sure how.. The assessor has answered all my questions with the answer A.. But then wrote things down in there that I do need help assisting with food and washing etc, I don't no how she has answered all my questions with A when some of my answers refer to D and so on.

Fibro_Pincess

It’s beyond a joke when the report outright contradicts itself. 

For or several points, my report took words out of the criteria, agreed I couldn’t do them, but I still scored 0

hayles123

really is a shame. Have you not had a decision letter just yet? 

hayles123

I am hoping the decision maker goes off the information in the report and not the ticked boxes the assessor has done. I hope you end up getting the outcome you want 

Fibro_Pincess

I have, I was refused. I had a Mandatory reconsideration and that also got refused. Have to go to court now 😞

hayles123

Or sorry to hear that

jesspet1

I think it’s the not knowing that’s driving me insane, I don’t want to loose it all together but I also need the mobility so I guess the points don’t really matter on the report as the can change it like fibro Princess said?

hayles123

Hi Jess I've heard that they go off the points on the report, but do you not think so.? I would like to think that they may take into account all the information on the report and not just the points that my assessor has done as they just don't add up with the comments she has written in my report. I hope it all goes good for you:)

Fibro_Pincess

It is a ridiculous system, I have Fibro but I also depend on my partner/carer for my medical treatment as it involves needles. 

They ignored all all my conditions and focused on my anxiety. 

They even downplayed that 😭

jesspet1

Hello hayles123 I believe they do but I have read in other comments that they still disregard them and apply there own points? If they do it means I will get full mobility and care as I score 14 and 20 but as someone has already said they’ve got the points on there but when the decision was made they scored 0? 

Im sorry to hear that fibro, so what is your next action?

poppy123456

It's rare for them to go against the report and they mostly go with it. I've had 3 PIP reports and all the decisions went with the recommendations in the report.

hayles123

Argh right ok thank you guys. I just really don't understand how the have scored me A in all the answers witch means I am capable of everything but in her paragraphs she has written there is evidence to say that I need help and prompting to do things, and when I done the pip test online I score at 14 for the daily living. I am going to ring and complain about the assessor 

jesspet1

Hayles have you received your report yet? As my assessor has mentioned everything, and put my score to be eligible for higher on both,  it’s dreadful that they’ve done this to you, I really hope it gets resolved 

Yadnad

jesspet1 said:

Yadnad, 0 points? It’s been suggested that Iv totalled 14 on mobility? Or do you mean you’ve reicived 0 points?

Yes all three assessments reported 0 points - that is what the DWP then gave me.

hayles123

Yes Jess I received it yesterday and it has information in there of the assessor witch states I need help bathing and dressing etc but then when she has marked the questions she has marked them all as answer (A) witch is scoring me 0.. I think the assessors seem to do what they want..

jesspet1

That’s unbelievable, mine has pretty much the same needing help etc but Iv scored 20 points! How have they come to this decision, it’s dreadful!

hayles123

It's ridiculous isn't it, not had my decision letter yet, I only had my assessment over a week ago and recieved my report just yesterday. I really hope that the decision maker looks at what the assessor has wrote and not what she has based my answers to the questions on but seems to be that the decision makers just look at what the assessors answers are.

poppy123456

hayles123 said:

Argh right ok thank you guys. I just really don't understand how the have scored me A in all the answers witch means I am capable of everything but in her paragraphs she has written there is evidence to say that I need help and prompting to do things, and when I done the pip test online I score at 14 for the daily living. I am going to ring and complain about the assessor 

Are you sure you're reading it correctly? There should be boxes with dots or ticks next to them, it's these you need to look at and compare them against the PIP descriptors.

hayles123

Hi poppy yes they all have dots next to the answer (a) it just doesn't add up does it.. With the information I told my assessor about my difficulties, she has wrote them down but marred them all as if I'm ok in every way shape and form.

poppy123456

If the decision goes with the report and it's rare to go against it then the MR request is the next step and you have 1 month from the date of the decision to request this. You will of course need to wait for the decision.

Angiebabes2410

You get the enhanced rate mobility if you are awarded 12 points or more then if you get 12 points on the daily living side also you would get the enhanced rate, it’s nice to hear a successful award rather than having to go to a tribunal like I did xx

wilko

Well done on getting the enhanced rate of mobility, you can now use to the benefit to get more mobility into your life either a scooter or car if you drive.

poppy123456

You need to wait for the decision before making plans.

jesspet1

Iv phoned up today and they’ve still not come to a conclusion. Apparently they are at the end of November and I’m the 4th of dec 🙄! 

hayles123

I have rang dwp today and told them that my report doesn't add up with answers my assessor has ticked to the information she has written down in my report.. So the dwp have wrote in my file for the decision maker to see, so hopefully they will read my whole report and not just go off what the assessor has marked me at. I have also rang atos and told them that it doesn't add up and she is sending me a complaints pack out for me to fill in. I am not having assessors trying to do this to people.

jesspet1

I think you’ve made the right choice with the complaint, it seems silly as I’m in a similar situation but they’ve given me the right points and my report is correct. 
Let me know how you get on 

hayles123

I think there seems to be the odd assessor that just does what the hell they want.. There is apparently a 6 week wait on to get a decision back..

jesspet1

Yes, you do get the odd assessor that doesn’t really take in everything you’ve said. 
Well I phoned today and they’ve mentioned there at the end of November’s applications and moving into December I was the 4th of dec so she said I should hear by next week? Fingers crossed

laceypeach

Can I also just ask, do you have to ring up and ask for a copy of your f2f assessment? Or do they just send it to you before your award letter or decision?
Thanks guys x

poppy123456

You need to ring DWP and ask for them to send it to you but this is only if you live in the UK.

bi786

Hi can I ask what u was claiming pip for an did u send any evidance in

poppy123456

bi786 said:

Hi can I ask what u was claiming pip for an did u send any evidance in

You can't compare 2 people when it comes to claiming PIP because it's not awarded based on a diagnosis. It's how those conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activities based on the PIP descriptors. All conditions affect people differently.

They very rarely contact anyone for evidence, the onus is on you to to prove you qualify not their's.

hayles123

Yes Jess I think there's a long wait on the decision time isn't there then.. Bi786 do you mean me

bi786

Yes  I was asking hayles123

bi786

poppy123456 said:

bi786 said:

Hi can I ask what u was claiming pip for an did u send any evidance in

You can't compare 2 people when it comes to claiming PIP because it's not awarded based on a diagnosis. It's how those conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activities based on the PIP descriptors. All conditions affect people differently.

They very rarely contact anyone for evidence, the onus is on you to to prove you qualify not their's.

Ok thank you 

hayles123

I have chrons disease and yes I have sent a letter from my ibd nurse and my specialist and the lady from my assessor has put on my report that I'm basically OK in regarding her ticking the top boxes but the information she has written down on my report even states how I have difficultys dressing bathing etc. It all just doesn't add up.

jesspet1

There is hayles I will be phoning up again on Friday to push my luck. Apparently if your due back dated money that tends to go into your account before you get your letter and it’s normally an indication you’ve got pip 

atd1984

I had my assessment done on the 15th December and am in same boat a little as I’ve scored way less than what the assessment lady wrote in the report only scoring 4 points in mobility when I can’t even drive my car and had to give up my car they have also put I can walk up to 200m witch is a lie I can’t even walk 50m. And I need all sorts of help with moving around using crutches everywhere I go I’m also blind in one eye and have  Pfeiffer syndrome witch is only going to get worse I’ve rang up and they have put several nots on system ect and I got my report sent to me as soon as they had it looks like it m going to definitely appealing the decision I will have to wait and see

laceypeach

That's so upsetting, I have just received a text saying my written report is ready so I have requested a copy. I don't know what I will do if the same thing happens to me. Do you have any further evidence you could send to the DWP? My friend has just been awarded pip but she said when she asked the doctor and her pain consultant if the DWP had got in touch with either of them and they both said no! Which makes me think are the DWP only bacing their decisons on what has been sent to them through ourselves and the f2f assessments and not asking our health professionals for further information.

jesspet1

Laceylaceypeach said:

That's so upsetting, I have just received a text saying my written report is ready so I have requested a copy. I don't know what I will do if the same thing happens to me. Do you have any further evidence you could send to the DWP? My friend has just been awarded pip but she said when she asked the doctor and her pain consultant if the DWP had got in touch with either of them and they both said no! Which makes me think are the DWP only bacing their decisons on what has been sent to them through ourselves and the f2f assessments and not asking our health professionals for further information.



iv read a lot about them
not taking medical and other professionals into the decision they tend to only base it on what you’ve said and how the assessor has taken it. I hope you get the out come you want 

laceypeach

Thank you, I don't know how I feel about that, I mean how can they form an all round decision without requesting some medical information. I mean the letters I sent in with my application covered most things but it's still a worry. I hope Adt1984 manages to get his correct award

jesspet1

I do agree I think they need to contact more people regarding how it effects your life and how these problems effect you long term rather than hearing from our mouths I struggle a huge amount trying to say what I want and in the end I get very stressed and give up.

laceypeach

Yes, I understand. I felt positive when I came out of my assessment but after I had calmed down and got home I realised there was a few things I didn't mention and kind of thought that hopefully they would be covered in a requested report from one of the professionals they ask you to list on the form. I mean why else would you list them if the ain't going to talk to them! If only this whole Pip programe was developed by or influenced by disabled people. That way all these things would of been taken into account by a person who actually lives a disabled life.

poppy123456

laceypeach said:

 Which makes me think are the DWP only bacing their decisons on what has been sent to them through ourselves and the f2f assessments and not asking our health professionals for further information.

They very rarely contact anyone for any evidence. The onus is on the claimant to make sure it's sent to support their claim. It's their responsibility to prove they qualify not DWP.

atd1984

Thank you all for your replies I’m just hoping I get a good decision only time will tell will let everyone know when my decision comes in 🤞🏻

Yadnad

poppy123456 said:

laceypeach said:

 Which makes me think are the DWP only bacing their decisons on what has been sent to them through ourselves and the f2f assessments and not asking our health professionals for further information.

They very rarely contact anyone for any evidence. The onus is on the claimant to make sure it's sent to support their claim. It's their responsibility to prove they qualify not DWP.

It may well be the case now, but the initial intent when PIP was first 'floated' was that the gathering of evidence would be carried out by the assessor.
Then following a review for the government it was suggested that the DWP should make more of an effort in getting reports from Social Services, the previous history of DLA/PIP claims as well as to look for evidence that may exist such as from an ESA assessment etc.
Since then the onus of obtaining further evidence even if you have to pay for it has now been pushed totally onto the claimant.

poppy123456

Yadnad said:

It may well be the case now, but the initial intent when PIP was first 'floated' was that the gathering of evidence would be carried out by the assessor.

I've claimed PIP since it first came out and this has never been the process in any PIP claim. Do you have a link that suggests that?

Yadnad

poppy123456 said:

Yadnad said:

It may well be the case now, but the initial intent when PIP was first 'floated' was that the gathering of evidence would be carried out by the assessor.

I've claimed PIP since it first came out and this has never been the process in any PIP claim. Do you have a link that suggests that?

Of course Poppy. It will require me to dig it out along with the initial review/report carried out by Gray.

Taken from the 2014 report:

8.         Under Disability Living Allowance (DLA), individual claimants tended to gather and submit further evidence themselves. The Review understands the intention under PIP was to shift the onus of responsibility to the assessment provider. But there seems to be doubt and ambiguity in some quarters about who is responsible for gathering further evidence. The Disability Benefits Consortium reported confusion about where responsibility actually sits between the assessment providers and claimants. Similarly, the BMA suggested that GPs are sometimes approached directly by claimants for further evidence.

For a full copy see page 54 - 56

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/387981/pip-assessment-first-independent-review.pdf

The subtle move towards having the claimant supply further evidence is evidenced by the wording that used to appear on the original PIP2 and the wording on the new PIP2. Originally the claimant was asked only to supply what relevant evidence they had to hand. It originally further said that the claimant is not required to ask for further evidence that they don't have and certainly they should not pay for it.

The change has been made by the DWP to help them in their work - the claimant is now responsible for submitting further information.

laceypeach

Thank you so much for this, so it seems that there has been some confusion from the start in terms of evidence. I still cant help but feel that pip has been plagued with confusion, even without the DWP gathering further information they are still struggling with huge back logs and wrong decisions. 

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When I first claimed PIP (2013) they wrote to my GP asking for more info, she sent them a brief but decent letter which they took into account.

jesspet1

Update: 

i have had two phone calls over the past few days with them asking me if I want to continue with my claim and when my disability worsened. Both the same sort of questions has anyone had this?

poppy123456

They can sometimes ring to ask a question before making a decision, it happened to me.

jesspet1

Okay, did it differ from your report? I’m so worried that they are questions the original report now as on the report I have enough points for higher on both?

jesspet1

Update. I have had my decision finally, I was awarded full care and full mobility! I’m over the moon 

laceypeach

Brilliant! I'm so pleased for you, what a relief. Its a shame we have to go through this turmoil to get what we need to be able to live properly. I'm still waiting for mine but feeling hopful x