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Universal credit reconsideration notice Letter
houndog6105
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Hello everyone
I'm new and this is my first post on here . Just after some help and advice and this seems to be a good place to start
Trying to get advice please on a decision by universal credit regarding the housing cost element (HCE) decision I received for the additional bedroom
I asked for a mandatory reconsideration and the original decision to not grant us the additional bedroom was again denied and I'm now thinking of appealing via the tribunal but I want to make sure I'm right first
Circumstances are we have a 3 bedroom house and there is myself my wife (disabled) unable to walk and currently living downstairs and we are unable to share a bedroom anymore. 2 kids both boys aged 1 and 9. One year old sleeps with me upstairs
DM says we don't qualify for part 2 which states because of their disability the renter is not reasonably able to share a bedroom with the joint renter
Now that's the part I see that they are wrong about
Surely she does qualify for part 2?? Or am I wrong?
Are they saying because she's not actually using the bedroom itself as an additional room then we don't qualify?
Here is the decision letter. I'll copy and paste it below
Your Mandatory Reconsideration Notice
You or someone who has the authority to act for you, asked us to look at the decision we made on 07/03/2019. We have taken into account all the information available and the decision remains the same/has been changed.
An explanation of our Mandatory Reconsideration decision is set out below
Mandatory Reconsideration Universal Credit I am able to revise the decision dated 07/03/2019 which determined that you did not satisfy the disabled person condition and therefore an additional bedroom could not be awarded. Details of the Decision. The Decision Maker (DM) was asked to look at the Housing Costs Element (HCE) in respect of Universal Credit claim.
The decision maker was asked to consider the room allocation needs. On 15/5/18 Myself and my husband made a joint claim to UC. They stated on their initial disclosure that they live in a 3 bedroom rented property with 2 dependants living with them (Max DOB 5/7/12 (MY SONS IS 5/7/17. THEY PUT WRONG DOB)
and Leo DOB 25/5/09) On 15/2/19 Myself and my husband stated that were unable to share a bedroom, reason because:
I'm living bathing and sleeping downstairs and currently unable to walk and go upstairs. I use a commode downstairs for toilet needs I'm living downstairs in my living room and using a large sofa as I'm unable to walk and get upstairs. I wash,bath and sleep downstairs and can only stand for a very short period of time using a Zimmer frame
Universal Credit is operated by the Department for Work and Pensions UCD477 Page 2 of 4 Regulations provide that a renter is entitled to a bedroom for
1. the renter or joint renters
2. a qualifying young person for whom the renter or either joint renter is responsible
3. a non-dependant who is not a child
4. two children who are under 10 years old
5. two children of the same sex 6. any other child. Universal Credit Regs 2013, Sch 4, para 10 Universal Credit, New Style JSA, New Style ESA: Decisions-Claims, revisions, supersessions, etc, determinations of questions and Mandatory Reconsiderations LT54(UC)
Disabled Person Condition
A renter will also be entitled to an additional bedroom if they satisfy the new disabled person condition (this captures those couples who are unable to share because of disability).
Universal Credit Regs 2013, Sch 4, para 12 The disabled person condition mentioned above is satisfied where the renter would normally be expected to share a bedroom with a joint renter but:
1. The renter is in receipt of
1.1. the care component of Disability Living Allowance (DLA) at the middle or highest rate
1.2. Attendance Allowance (AA) (at the higher rate)
1.3. the daily living component of Personal Independence Payment and
2. because of their disability the renter is not reasonably able to share a bedroom with the joint renter.
Myself is in receipt of the enhanced level of care of Personal Independence Payment.
Myself has stated that im living and sleeping downstairs in the living room as she is unable to get upstairs. There is no evidence to suggest that there is a bedroom situated downstairs, therefore the question of allowing an additional bedroom allocation serves no useful purpose as she is unable to get upstairs
Effect on Award.
Entitlement to the Additional Bedroom Disallowed On 22/02/19,
You requested a reconsideration of the decision not to award an additional bedroom. I have taken into account all the available evidence with regard to your Mandatory Reconsideration. In order to be able to award an additional bedroom due to your disability you must satisfy the disable person condition.
Universal Credit, New Style JSA, New Style ESA: Decisions-Claims, revisions, supersessions, etc, determinations of questions and Mandatory Reconsiderations LT54(UC) Disabled Person Condition
A renter will be entitled to an additional bedroom if they satisfy the new disabled person condition (this captures those couples who are unable to share because of disability. Universal Credit Regs 2013, Sch 4, para 12
The disabled person condition is satisfied where the renter would normally be expected to share a bedroom with a joint renter but:
1. The renter is in receipt of
1.1. the care component of Disability Living Allowance (DLA) at the middle or highest rate
Universal Credit is operated by the Department for Work and Pensions UCD477 Page 3 of 4 1.2. Attendance Allowance (AA) (at the higher rate)
1.3. the daily living component of Personal Independence Payment and
2. because of their disability the renter is not reasonably able to share a bedroom with the joint renter.
Departmental records confirm that Myself is in receipt of the enhanced level of care of Personal Independence Payment.
This satisfies Part 1.3 of the disabled person condition. However, to be eligible for the additional bedroom entitlement
Part 2 of the condition must also be satisfied.
Myself has stated that I'm living and sleeping downstairs in the living room as she is unable to get upstairs.
This reason does not satisfy part 2 of the condition. No new evidence or information has been received and as such the original decision is UPHELD
Effect on award No Change
Yours sincerely,
Office Manager Universal Credit
I'm new and this is my first post on here . Just after some help and advice and this seems to be a good place to start
Trying to get advice please on a decision by universal credit regarding the housing cost element (HCE) decision I received for the additional bedroom
I asked for a mandatory reconsideration and the original decision to not grant us the additional bedroom was again denied and I'm now thinking of appealing via the tribunal but I want to make sure I'm right first
Circumstances are we have a 3 bedroom house and there is myself my wife (disabled) unable to walk and currently living downstairs and we are unable to share a bedroom anymore. 2 kids both boys aged 1 and 9. One year old sleeps with me upstairs
DM says we don't qualify for part 2 which states because of their disability the renter is not reasonably able to share a bedroom with the joint renter
Now that's the part I see that they are wrong about
Surely she does qualify for part 2?? Or am I wrong?
Are they saying because she's not actually using the bedroom itself as an additional room then we don't qualify?
Here is the decision letter. I'll copy and paste it below
Your Mandatory Reconsideration Notice
You or someone who has the authority to act for you, asked us to look at the decision we made on 07/03/2019. We have taken into account all the information available and the decision remains the same/has been changed.
An explanation of our Mandatory Reconsideration decision is set out below
Mandatory Reconsideration Universal Credit I am able to revise the decision dated 07/03/2019 which determined that you did not satisfy the disabled person condition and therefore an additional bedroom could not be awarded. Details of the Decision. The Decision Maker (DM) was asked to look at the Housing Costs Element (HCE) in respect of Universal Credit claim.
The decision maker was asked to consider the room allocation needs. On 15/5/18 Myself and my husband made a joint claim to UC. They stated on their initial disclosure that they live in a 3 bedroom rented property with 2 dependants living with them (Max DOB 5/7/12 (MY SONS IS 5/7/17. THEY PUT WRONG DOB)
and Leo DOB 25/5/09) On 15/2/19 Myself and my husband stated that were unable to share a bedroom, reason because:
I'm living bathing and sleeping downstairs and currently unable to walk and go upstairs. I use a commode downstairs for toilet needs I'm living downstairs in my living room and using a large sofa as I'm unable to walk and get upstairs. I wash,bath and sleep downstairs and can only stand for a very short period of time using a Zimmer frame
Universal Credit is operated by the Department for Work and Pensions UCD477 Page 2 of 4 Regulations provide that a renter is entitled to a bedroom for
1. the renter or joint renters
2. a qualifying young person for whom the renter or either joint renter is responsible
3. a non-dependant who is not a child
4. two children who are under 10 years old
5. two children of the same sex 6. any other child. Universal Credit Regs 2013, Sch 4, para 10 Universal Credit, New Style JSA, New Style ESA: Decisions-Claims, revisions, supersessions, etc, determinations of questions and Mandatory Reconsiderations LT54(UC)
Disabled Person Condition
A renter will also be entitled to an additional bedroom if they satisfy the new disabled person condition (this captures those couples who are unable to share because of disability).
Universal Credit Regs 2013, Sch 4, para 12 The disabled person condition mentioned above is satisfied where the renter would normally be expected to share a bedroom with a joint renter but:
1. The renter is in receipt of
1.1. the care component of Disability Living Allowance (DLA) at the middle or highest rate
1.2. Attendance Allowance (AA) (at the higher rate)
1.3. the daily living component of Personal Independence Payment and
2. because of their disability the renter is not reasonably able to share a bedroom with the joint renter.
Myself is in receipt of the enhanced level of care of Personal Independence Payment.
Myself has stated that im living and sleeping downstairs in the living room as she is unable to get upstairs. There is no evidence to suggest that there is a bedroom situated downstairs, therefore the question of allowing an additional bedroom allocation serves no useful purpose as she is unable to get upstairs
Effect on Award.
Entitlement to the Additional Bedroom Disallowed On 22/02/19,
You requested a reconsideration of the decision not to award an additional bedroom. I have taken into account all the available evidence with regard to your Mandatory Reconsideration. In order to be able to award an additional bedroom due to your disability you must satisfy the disable person condition.
Universal Credit, New Style JSA, New Style ESA: Decisions-Claims, revisions, supersessions, etc, determinations of questions and Mandatory Reconsiderations LT54(UC) Disabled Person Condition
A renter will be entitled to an additional bedroom if they satisfy the new disabled person condition (this captures those couples who are unable to share because of disability. Universal Credit Regs 2013, Sch 4, para 12
The disabled person condition is satisfied where the renter would normally be expected to share a bedroom with a joint renter but:
1. The renter is in receipt of
1.1. the care component of Disability Living Allowance (DLA) at the middle or highest rate
Universal Credit is operated by the Department for Work and Pensions UCD477 Page 3 of 4 1.2. Attendance Allowance (AA) (at the higher rate)
1.3. the daily living component of Personal Independence Payment and
2. because of their disability the renter is not reasonably able to share a bedroom with the joint renter.
Departmental records confirm that Myself is in receipt of the enhanced level of care of Personal Independence Payment.
This satisfies Part 1.3 of the disabled person condition. However, to be eligible for the additional bedroom entitlement
Part 2 of the condition must also be satisfied.
Myself has stated that I'm living and sleeping downstairs in the living room as she is unable to get upstairs.
This reason does not satisfy part 2 of the condition. No new evidence or information has been received and as such the original decision is UPHELD
Effect on award No Change
Yours sincerely,
Office Manager Universal Credit
Replies
This is a difficult one! I can see your point, but also the decision.
However, as you have noted mistakes (such as D.O.B. of Your Son) I would certainly appeal. It is unfortunate that most decisions are not based upon 'actuality' in terms of how your family have to live on a day to day basis. They are based upon the sex of your children and their age, and although it is obviously preferable for each of your children to have their own bedroom, as they are both boys this will not be deemed as being a factor...
You will however have a better chance in say 4-5 years time when your eldest Son is in his teens... All said, I would still appeal myself, but a visit to your Citizens Advice Bureau would also be a very good move.
Please keep us posted and Good Luck. I hope things go well for you.
I'm not sure what to write in the appeal
I hope you can appeal again.