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Concerned after PIP assessment

worried111worried111 Member Posts: 4 Listener
Did PIP assessment 2 weeks ago, was told I'd get a decision in 10 days......what's gone wrong???? I'm really worried 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    HI and welcome,

    I'm one of the community champions here on scope and i'm here to help and advise others.

    I'm not sure who told you that you'll have a decision in 10 days but that's very optimistic. There's no timescales for any decision but expect something like 2-8 weeks, possibly longer. Backlogs are just part of the reason a decision can be delayed.

    If you live in the UK then ring DWP to request a copy of the assessment report to be sent to you. This will give you some idea what the decision is likely to be because they mostly go with the report.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • worried111worried111 Member Posts: 4 Listener
    Thank you....I've been so worried. That's reassuring. Of the people on this forum how long have they been waiting from f2f assessment to decision on average?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. There's really no timescales, as i advised, it can be anything between 2-8 weeks sometimes longer.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • worried111worried111 Member Posts: 4 Listener
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,181 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello and welcome to the community, I am a community champion here at scope. Its nice to see new members. You have already had your query answered but if there is anything else you want help with then please let us know .Also keep us up yo date with your PIP
  • chiariedschiarieds Member Posts: 7,992 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @worried111 - Welcome to the community & thank you for joining. I'm pleased Poppy has been able to reassure you, & do let us know how you get on with your PIP assessment report
  • blue32blue32 Member Posts: 52 Connected
    The wait is tough but hopefully isn't too long
  • susan48susan48 Member Posts: 2,229 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi sent forms back end of September and got my decision 1st February! It’s awful to leave vulnerable people this long 
  • worried111worried111 Member Posts: 4 Listener
    Wow!! Was that a new claim or DLA switch? 
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Hi just looking for a bit of support, my f2f was due today got a txt earlier saying had to cancel till tomorrow, can’t believe it as not slept for ages waiting on today ☹️
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Lou67 said:
    Hi just looking for a bit of support, my f2f was due today got a txt earlier saying had to cancel till tomorrow, can’t believe it as not slept for ages waiting on today ☹️

    HI and welcome,

    I'm sorry to hear that your assessment was canceled. Unfortunately, these things happen and sometimes assessments are canceled at the last minute, it's happened to me in the past too. Hopefully the one tomorrow will go ahead as planned, good luck.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Thanks Poppy 
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Sorry to be a pest, does anyone no if I need to take a list of my medication. Thanks 
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    So sorry I mean do I need to take list of medication to my pip f2f thanks again 😊
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Lou67 said:
    Sorry to be a pest, does anyone no if I need to take a list of my medication. Thanks 

    If you didn't send evidence of this when you sent the form then yes, you can take it with you. Evidence should have been sent with the form when you returned it. Hopefully they will accept it on the day because they don't always.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Oh I did send it just wasn’t sure if still had to take it thanks so much for your help. 
  • Jay1969Jay1969 Member Posts: 23 Connected
    @worried111

    Hi

    I think the 10 day decision meant the assessor will send the report to DWP within 10 days.
    After DWP receive this it can take anything from 8-14 weeks depending on the PIP application.
    Generally new applications take 4-8 weeks and Change of Circumstances for PIP take longer.
    Hope that helps..
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Morning I had my pip f2f on the 10th got a text yesterday saying dwp had received my assessment back, how long should I wait to ask for a copy and what no do I call. Thanks 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As the report has now been returned to DWP you can ring anytime. The number to ring is the enquiry line on 0800 121 4433.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Thanks I appreciate the help.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Morning I hope everyone is well, does anyone know if the Coronavirus is going to hold up results of past f2f.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    The backlogs will very likely become longer, it will just depend on whether decision makers are working or not. All you can do is wait.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Yeah that’s what I thought as always thanks for your help. 
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,934

    Scope community team

    I hope you're not kept waiting too long @Lou67. Have you received a copy of your assessor report?
    Senior Community Partner
    Scope

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  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    No Iv been trying to get through to them to ask them to send it but can’t get through will keep trying, that way at least I would have an idea. 
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Hi I just got through to pip after trying to get through for days, I asked for copy of my assessment and was told we no longer send these out till after you receive decision. I told them I have been advised you can receive them before but got quite a snappy reply.she sd this stopped last September???
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    If you live in the UK they will send the report out before a decision's been made. Sometimes though it does depend on who you speak to. Some will refuse to send it, others will happily send it out. The rules definitely haven't changed.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Yeah I stay in the UK, just my luck got a grump on the phone lol thanks for taking the time to answer Poppy.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Hi just to let yous no I got word back last week after pip review, I got 6 points for daily living but believe I should have got at least 10, I got 10 points for mobility so got low rate, I phoned and put in mandatory reconsideration right away, today I received copy of ex rays and records from doctor sent this away recorded delivery, does anyone no if mandatory reconsiderations ever get overturned, if not it’s a long road ahead to appeal ☹️
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,979 Disability Gamechanger
    16% success rate. Essentially... random.
  • chiariedschiarieds Member Posts: 7,992 Disability Gamechanger
    Surely not random....rather a low success rate. If people better understood how to do a MR explaining in detail their functional problems linking these to the actual descriptors that apply to them, & ignoring the 'inaccuracies' in their assessment, things might be different.
    Or, perhaps, if you're cantankerous like me, disagreeing with the Decision Maker who said my pain medication was effective, whilst the HCP had correctly reported that it just dampens my pain.
    I also took issue with the 'as you don't see a pain management or physiotherapy specialist' cut & pasted reply that I could walk further than stated without being in pain. The fact I am a physio had been mentioned 3x in my claim form. I also told the HCP this straightaway as a matter of courtesy, which she also mentioned in her report. My MR's first sentence just stated my disorder & that I'm a qualified physio. The rest described the everyday difficulties I face. I also made reference to my GP's letter, as he was able to describe my mobility issues, partially dropped wrist & partially dislocated collarbone (the latter 2 of some decades long-standing).
    I 'think' you have to pick your arguments, which is on an individual response, & detail why.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,979 Disability Gamechanger
    chiarieds said:
    Surely not random....rather a low success rate. If people better understood how to do a MR explaining in detail their functional problems linking these to the actual descriptors that apply to them, & ignoring the 'inaccuracies' in their assessment, things might be different. 
    I wish that were true. However, it is effectively random. 

    I can complete a claim pack and predict the outcome. 95%+ of the time I will be correct. I can do the same when lodging an appeal. It’s impossible to do that with MR. You can do everything right and... pfft. Nothing. 

    As it’s a specific stage people naturally invest a huge amount of energy in it but it’s largely misplaced. The outcomes are effectively random. 
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Morning thanks for your answers, It looks like it’s going to be the long rd to appeal then.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Hi sorry another question, does anyone know if I can apply for the free bus pass with low rate mobility, I used to get it when I was receiving pip for daily living thanks.
  • chiariedschiarieds Member Posts: 7,992 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @Lou67 - There's some info online with links to getting free bus passes. Hope this helps. :)

  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Hi  chiarieds thanks for the link I will have a look.
  • MangyWolfMangyWolf Posts: 40 Member
    I've had a free bus pass most my adult life since I get vertigo attacks. Initially it was thought to be due to my inner ear / hearing loss, but I've now found it happens when I move my head too much.

    Regarding the MR, I wrote out a full description of how my condition affects me for each category, but the decision was basically 'The health assessor has nothing to gain by lying, therefore 0 points'. Yes apart from the bonus we all know they get paid when they stop someones benefits, also funny how as soon as I put in my MR and a complaint with Atos, she quit right away before giving, and didnt give any reply.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Thanks Iv been intouch with SPT about buspass they will get it sorted once cards are getting printed again. I don’t know wat these assessors get out of blatantly lying about ppl but they seem to die it a lot. Thanks again for your answers.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Sorry seem to do it a lot 
  • MangyWolfMangyWolf Posts: 40 Member
    edited April 2020
    Everytime a health assessor gives a report that leads to someone's benefits being stopped, they get paid a bonus. Maybe even a bonus if you don't already have them, and still don't get any. Atos / Capita / Maximus etc explicitly train their staff on over 70 different ways they can give 0 points - e.g. 'Attended health assessment using public transport and spoke to me clearly / confidently / cheerfully etc' 0 points right away in both of the social categories.

    If you don't go to the health assessment, 0 points. If you manage to turn up, 0 points.

    Mine actually said that I was 'well groomed and looked well',  therefore nothing wrong with mental health, when I haven't had my haircut for over 15 years and it is grown to its maximum length, and I had a full beard that hadn't been touched for over 6 months.

    Actually here's my bus pass photo, look at how well groomed and well looking I am:

    https://i.imgur.com/kTKNc1x.png

    I had already sent that as one of my evidences.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    Oh total joke mine sd I travelled on public transport and was fine, I had arrived by taxi and my daughter-in-law was with me,she also sd I can make budget decisions on my own when I told her my daughter deals with all of that, also no evidence of overwhelming psychological distress even though I cried a lot throughout and sd most of the time felt life wasn’t worth living, I just don’t understand how these people are trained to state this. Sorry for the rant. 
  • MangyWolfMangyWolf Posts: 40 Member
    edited April 2020
    I had a full panic attack before I had gotten to the assessment place and had to wait outside because I was overheated in the middle of winter. She wrote I was waiting outside when she came to get me and no idea why, but she didn't even ask me about that and I didn't get to talk about it.

    As soon as I had turned up I had to go straight into the restroom and it took me 10-15 to exit, during which someone even knocked on the door to ask if I was ok. After I signed in I needed 3 cups of water and had to wait outside and had even taken my coat off and was still burning up with a rapid heartbeat in the first week of February. Any time I am in public or on public transport I feel like I am going to pass out and die.

    I mentioned all this in my appeal, waiting for the decision letter still. 
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 868 Pioneering
    That is shocking I’m sorry to hear that, hope you get a good outcome with your appeal.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,979 Disability Gamechanger
    MangyWolf said:
    Everytime a health assessor gives a report that leads to someone's benefits being stopped, they get paid a bonus. Maybe even a bonus if you don't already have them, and still don't get any. Atos / Capita / Maximus etc explicitly train their staff on over 70 different ways they can give 0 points - e.g. 'Attended health assessment using public transport and spoke to me clearly / confidently / cheerfully etc' 0 points right away in both of the social categories.
    This is a myth and has long been demonstrated to be a myth. Please don’t repeat things which aren’t true. 
  • MangyWolfMangyWolf Posts: 40 Member
    I wasn't aware if it was a myth sorry.
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