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gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
in Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
@Adrian_Scope  ty ,I used  the link u gave me lol  think I'm better off on £46pw , says I can claim  hb£62.16pw  ct,support £4.97, lol think I'm better off on my £46pw and noticed on my ct bill I've got  to pay £615.38  this yr I'm more confused now  then I was  getting up this morning 😵😷
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  • lieghannalieghanna Member Posts: 1 Listener
    I don't know if my money is ok
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    lieghanna said:
    I don't know if my money is ok

    HI and welcome,

    Can you give us some more information please?
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 hi poppy ty ,yes my  daughter  started work , she is on 0% hours, and they r  taking £16 pw  off me but I have to pay half of my c tax bill now?  I'm on ir esa  in the support  group  4 7yrs now? 
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    gillian72 said:
    @poppy123456 hi poppy ty ,yes my  daughter  started work , she is on 0% hours, and they r  taking £16 pw  off me but I have to pay half of my c tax bill now?  I'm on ir esa  in the support  group  4 7yrs now? 

    This is most likely because you're not entitled to the 25% single person discount in your council tax reduction because you live with your daughter. Everyone has to pay a contribution towards their council tax. How much you'll have to pay will depend on your local council because they all have their own rules for council tax reduction.

    If you're claiming housing benefit, there may also be a non dependent deduction for this but that will depend on your circumstances.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 , yes  I  understand  deduction £16 pw of my hb  but  she's on £86 pw an I  get  £104 pw £59 to council & rent top up,pw leaves 45pw  so gas / electric  ect
    & food shopping  I. Just don't  get it ,heat or eat, I ,live on cereals atm.it makes no sense 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    gillian72 said:
    @poppy123456 , yes  I  understand  deduction £16 pw of my hb  but  she's on £86 pw an I  get  £104 pw £59 to council & rent top up,pw leaves 45pw  so gas / electric  ect
    & food shopping  I. Just don't  get it ,heat or eat, I ,live on cereals atm.it makes no sense 


    Difficult to advise because i have no idea what benefits you claim and whether you have a partner or not.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 lol not sure what u mean??  I  have applied 4 pip so I'm waiting  on reply from them ,  I live on my own  with my daughter  I claim hb my rent is £110 pw & get £66pw from hb  on Esa £104 pw but is normally £124pw but I had social loan so deduction  4 that lol  I wouldn't be  living  like this if I had any other benefits or a partner an my daughter is 19 yrs old  so don't get any benefit 4 her  no more  so just hb an esa I get  poppy😢
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 also have to pay  back  over payment  from when my daughter  quit collage and 4 a yr we lived on my esa coz  she had to b 18 to get. Uv so they said  because she didn't  do anything for that  yr  but she had to b 18 to claim owt doesn't make sense there a joke, thank you for ur help on this 
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Sounds like you're claiming everything you're entitled to at the moment. If your clam for PIP is successful and you're awarded the daily living part then you won't receive any non dependent deductions for housing benefit.

    Unfortunately because of the Covid19 pandemic then your PIP claim could take quite some time.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited March 2020
    If you're having difficultly paying the shortfall in your rent you can apply for a discretionary housing payment to help with the shortfall in your rent. To claim this you need to contact your local council. Do be aware that it's not guaranteed that you will receive this help but if you do then it's only paid for a short period of time and then you can re-apply.


    Do also be aware that because your daughter is working she will be expected to help pay for the shortfall in your rent.



    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 what  a joke they r I won't have a roof over r heads when lockdown ends might as well top myself now thank you for ur help anyway poppy x  stay safe x
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Please do consider applying for the discretionary housing payment.

    Is your daughter paying a contribution for living with you?
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 can I ask u  a question  plz I've been  on esa support group  4  7yrs  I have ischimic heart disease,angina, copd ,Ddd cervical an lumber ,multiple level facet joint  disease , polyarthropathy,   Suspected ms?  Got to get eye test ,mental health problems etc  I notice on here  some times  see  Esa an uv  get both benifits sorry if I got it wrong  memory an  getting confused  poppy am I on the wrong esa ?? 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm not sure i quite understand what you're asking. The amount of ESA you're receiving (£104 per week) tells me that you're in the WRAG.

    You mention both benefits? are you asking if you can claim Universal Credit (UC) as well as ESA? if so then the answer is no. If you claim UC then your ESA will stop and your WRAG award will be honoured in UC.

    Your housing benefit will also stop after 2 weeks and continue to be paid in with your UC amount. UC is also paid monthly so it's a lot more difficult to manage with monthly payments as apposed to fortnightly payments like ESA is.

    I hope i've been able to answer you're question as i was unsure exactly what you were asking.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 I'm so sorry  poppy I'm having  a memory loss day that's why  I'm  taking so long  2 reply an stuck in  my  room  4. 14weeks  ok. I'm really thick aswell so that doesn't  help  wrag?  And  CB  esa?  Verses ir esa  
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    WRAG is Work related activity group and the amount of ESA that you're receiving tells me that you started your claim before April 2017 and you're claiming Income Related, not Contributions based.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 I've been on esa for 10yrs I was in the wrag  4 3yrs  then put in support group when my health conditions got worst, I'm sorry I keep asking  with what's happening  in the world  at  this very sad time xx
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    The money you receive from ESA is not support group amount, unless you're having some deductions for something. Support Group Income Related amount is £128.45 per week.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 , sorry I did say that  in one of  my comments living expenses £73.10. Lcfwa support group £38.55. Dig £16.80  then my deductions taken off 😭
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
     Does anyone now if I could put a claim in 4  enhanced disability premium?? Or the severe d p?? Sorry I'm really thick lol😷😷. I'm in esa support  group??
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As you're in the Support Group claiming Income Related ESA then the Enhanced disability premium is automatically added.

    To claim the severe disability premium you need to be claiming a qualifying benefit such as PIP daily living or DLA mid high rate care. You also need to be living alone or classed as living alone.

    As your daughter is living with you then you won't be entitled to SDP if you were claiming the qualifying benefit, unless she also claimed a qualifying benefit such as PIP daily living or DLA mid.high rate care.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456  aww ok ty no my daughter  never  claimed anything only uv 4 herself till she got a job 😷
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456  sorry I'm lacking memory today  does that mean if me an my daughter never claimed.  NONE of them  benifits  I could  claim it???  😷
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    gillian72 said:
    @poppy123456  aww ok ty no my daughter  never  claimed anything only uv 4 herself till she got a job 😷

    I'm not sure what UV is? As you're daughter doesn't claim a qualifying benefit then you won't be entitled to any severe disability premium.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456  sorry I ment uc  is all she claimed 4 herself till she got a job, sorry I'm. just coming out of a massive breakdown  I feel like I've been  sent  4words in time  to  year 2020 xx 
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm sorry to hear that. I know you have a shortfall in your rent because your daughter is a non dependent. As i previously advised, you could apply for a Discretionary housing payment to cover that shortfall BUT they may not agree to this because your daughter is expected to pay the shortfall because she's working.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 ok no probs poppy ty 4  ur help , I'm of to boot my daughter  out  lmao😷😷xx
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  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing Team, Scope community team Posts: 7,911 Scope community team
    edited April 2020
    Hi @gillian72. 
    Have you thought about looking into Universal Credit? The non-dependent deductions wouldn't start on UC until your daughter is 21, and they tend not to be as harsh as the ones on HB. Your support group status would be honoured and the deductions for your ESA overpayment can be negotiated. It doesn't work for everyone and there is a lot to consider (such as monthly payments, which don't suit everyone, and it can change your council tax support amount) and I'd strongly advise using a better off calculator to double check the amounts.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @Adrian_Scope, I'm finding it a bit difficult taking in to much info  an get confused  an forgetful plus my tinnitus is so loud  sometimes sorry, I'm daughter is 20 in May  an she does give me £16 that they take off my hb ,but my  council tax was £22 ish a month an now they want £55 pm 😡
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Is your daughter able to pay anymore for her "keep"? that's really not alot to pay you. Don't forget if she lived alone then it would cost her a lot of the what she's paying you. I have adult children myself but 2 don't live with me anymore. If they did then i'd expect more than just £16.

    My other daughter who lives with me is 19 and still in full time education so i still claim tax credits for her.

    I do believe i advised you about UC on another thread. It is a lot more generous than the legacy benefits are and you would have any non dependent deductions for the housing element because of your daughters age.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 she gave her pay slips to the council an they said  £86 was her average weekly pay an she's on 0 contract hrs at a hotel so it has closed because of virus so she's gonna have claim uc  4 now 😷😷
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456  bit of confusion I think,u giving  us  ur help an advice,which  (I'm very grateful 4 ) I don't know how u keep up some days with all these Qs we  keep  asking on here your a little 😇 Xx. ( I'm the one who asked if u could claim  uc aswell as  ur esa lol)  I get confused just writing  my questions 🤔
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    gillian72 said:
    @poppy123456  bit of confusion I think,u giving  us  ur help an advice,which  (I'm very grateful 4 ) I don't know how u keep up some days with all these Qs we  keep  asking on here your a little 😇 Xx. ( I'm the one who asked if u could claim  uc aswell as  ur esa lol)  I get confused just writing  my questions 🤔

    Thanks for the kind words! You can't claim UC as well as your ESA. Your ESA award would be honoured in UC. Please see Adrian's advice above.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    Ok just wanted let you no about my esa benfit an council tax struggle, I think it could be my fault lol but not been told of anyone yet but council said could we have kels last 5wage slips so we can make sure hb award is correct lol I haven't heard back but hb award is now £175pf and it was £120pf my rent is £220pf so topup has been so stressful when we had lockdown as I'm sure u all remember me anxiety levels went wild a bit at the time lol😜😜😷
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited November 2020
    I have great difficulty following text speak, so i'm not 100% sure exactly what you said here, sorry.

    Although now you have a daily living award for PIP there will be no non dependent deductions for your housing benefit. DWP do very often share information with local councils but you should still report this to them. If you were having non dependent deductions taken from your housing benefit this will be backdated to the start of your PIP award.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 290 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 aww I think it could be my fault I'm in mess here I though they dwp was picking on me cause I didn't turn up to pip appeal last yr then council stopped hb esa sent me esa assessment etc hb said they be informed kel left collage in 2017 in ask for CB letter ,ct credit prove of when I informed them an dates they ended this was last yr lucky I have big bin for letters when I was a mess at time lol
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