whats really going on

Aspiemike

The world is about to be reset its called agenda 21 and has been planned for decades there is no virus and the government are just puppets being controlled. People are asleep and need to wake up to what's going on 

Oxonlady

Hi @Aspiemike, I have heard other people say the same thing. Even if we accepted that something like this is happening, the question is, what can we do about it? 
I can't see me waging any battles from my wheelchair. All I feel able to do is pray! 
Do you have any specific course of action in mind? 

Richard_Scope

Interesting theory but Covid-19 is very real, sadly.

Aspiemike

Yes as a Christian this is a spiritual battle against pure evil but God is in charge and there is no fear in me just anger at the people who are falling for the lies because all they do is stay in and watch propaganda on TV if this was a pandemic you wouldn't need testing because you would be dead in hours .how many do you know who have it and how many are dead .all deaths are being recoded as covid deaths because people are testing positive and therefore are recorded as dieing with covid not of .we all have covid its in us all .

Aspiemike

  live your life remove the masks and fight for your freedom .you are being lied to check out government website for covid March 19 where it states this is not a highly infectious disease and 4cdays later they locked us down more people died last year from the flu yet no lockdown and no masks .more people die from smoking yet they still sell cigarette s more people die from alcohol yet they still sell it more people die in road accidents but they still sell cars .why because of money and they are to make trillions from vaccine s and you are the customer. That is the truth .

Aspiemike

The hospitals are not overwhelmed they are dancing down corridors on utube bank nurses are being sent home because of no work. Is that a pandemic a real pandemic they would be dead in the streets .wake up to reality .

Aspiemike

On social media the truth is being blocked and I expect my comments to be blocked also which will prove this country no longer has free speech. 

Aspiemike

I may come across as pushy but my asperges will not allow me to be lied to .The truth always wins 
God Bless you all 

Adrian_Scope

Aspiemike said:

On social media the truth is being blocked and I expect my comments to be blocked also which will prove this country no longer has free speech. 

Hello @Aspiemike. As long as discussion remains civil and understanding of both sides we won't be blocking comments.

I would ask everyone to remember that many of the community's members and the team have had friends, loved ones and family sadly die of COVID-19.

Aspiemike said:

more people died last year from the flu yet no lockdown and no masks .more people die from smoking yet they still sell cigarette s more people die from alcohol yet they still sell it more people die in road accidents but they still sell cars .why because of money and they are to make trillions from vaccine s and you are the customer. That is the truth .

I had a quick look at some statistics that might be of interest to the discussion:

Road casualties in Great Britain in 2019: 1752 (I included this stat as road accidents were mentioned and I was curious about the number.)

In winter 2019/2020 there was a reported 7,990 deaths associated with flu in England (and the WHO estimate there are 389,000 deaths from influenza worldwide each year.)
Whereas so far this year, there have been a reported 41,748 Covid-related deaths in England and a reported 1.2 million Covid-related deaths worldwide.

Aspiemike

I would say died with covid not from 

mike62

Hi @Aspiemike, @Adrian_Scope and others.
I thought I'd just add this small idea but shan't go on about it further though.

I read agenda 21 (think it's been updated to 23) and somethings may make sense like keeping to a maximum number of humans in the world etc so that we don't harm to world and other creatures etc.
Also I don't know of anyone who has died from/with covid but I heard from 2 people that their family member died of it and it was not nice going through it. 
My daughter-in-law said her uncle went to hospital with cancer and covid was written as death on his certification. 

I'm just a normal citizen and not privy reading the data or even understanding it. Different scientists I watch on you tube are confused with government requirements.  Below is a list of leading cause of deaths per year up to 2018 and possibly covid may have been the reason people with these conditions passed away in 2020. Guess the statement died with of of either way it's not wanted.

Influenza and pneumonia (J09-J18)	14,708
Cerebrovascular diseases (I60-I69)	15,437
Chronic lower respiratory diseases (J40-J47)	17,988
Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung (C33-C34)	18,587
Dementia and Alzheimer disease (F01,F03,G30)	26,579
Ischaemic heart diseases (I20-I25)	40,214

chiarieds

Whilst appreciating that we are fortunate to live in a democratic society where anyone can post their opinion, I'm a little concerned with @Aspiemike 's assumptions. If he doesn't want to wear a mask, that's fine, but to ask others to do the same is perhaps not.

A pandemic is something that has spread among many countries/worldwide; I think this has unfortunately happened. Whatever our beliefs are, I hope that people will believe in statistics, & look at the links @Adrian_Scope gave earlier. When we can't know for sure, such statistics should hopefully give us a better understanding as to what is really happening.

To say that 'if' this was a pandemic you would be dead within hours is totally incorrect. An assumption that we all have Covid-19 is also incorrect. I was asked last July to do a home test to try & determine where Covid-19 was prevalent in the UK.... my test came back as negative (appreciating that this only showed I didn't have Covid-19 at the time, not that I might have had it previously). Surely I'm not the only one that had a negative response?

My daughter-in-law lost her Uncle due to Covid-19 after 2 months in intensive care. Sadly this pandemic is real, altho we would all wish this different.

Social media is a difficult one, & sometimes ideas spread like wildfire. Again I would say look at the statistics to make an informed decision.

woodbine

i'm sorry but it is in my very humble opinion extremely dangerous for people to rattle out conspiracy theories about something that is very real, over 47 million cases worldwide and 1.2 million deaths, I personally know someone who died from CV19 and they had a large extended family probably 50 people in all who mourn that single death, multiply that by the 45,000 deaths in the UK and you have a lot of sad people. Rubbish like this belongs on twitter just below Trumps advice to drink Dettol as a cure. I also know a very fit man in his 40's who caught CV19 and he honestly thought he was dying at one point, to belittle such cases as a way of keeping the population down is also utter rubbish. I think scope should keep a close eye on this thread before the misinformation gets out of hand.

mike62

Hi @chiarieds and @woodbine
Your are right in what you replied cv19 plus all other nasty virruses, diseases, disorders are terrible. I feel that my reply was to balance up stats on ons.gov v real life v media etc.
I find I'm better in a friendly face to face casual chat rather than typing so didn't mean to offend.
I wear a mask so reduce risk of spreading even if works or not and abide by rules.
Regards @mike62    

woodbine

@mike62 was't having a go sorry, more at the OP than any replies, I just think it's wrong to brush CV19 aside as some great conspiracy, when it obviously isn't.
Stay safe.

chiarieds

Hi @mike62 - no problem with yourself either...you have caused no offence whatsoever. I feel both @woodbine & myself were very concerned with the OP's thoughts, & trying to redress these. Sadly this pandemic is real.

kelly45

This subject is understandably 2 sided.
I worked through it on front line at the beginning of the year and can tell you a lot of people died from covid 19 which they mostly had on top of other health issues that they normally would overcome.
Working in healthcare was extremely tough and is about to become extremely tough again, even worse this time.
I understand also if you haven't seen the effects yet, then you find it hard to believe.
But please let's stick together as a community and do the right thing, by sticking to the rules as then it will get it under control quicker and then we can have our freedom back.
The more that people rebel the more the deaths and infection rates will increase.
Also I'm not sure how the world would benefit from making up such a lie about a pandemic, as the whole world is at crisis point.
I can't work my job this time round due to arthritis in my back, but I am now a volunteer for people with life limiting illnesses and end of life care as a befriender.
Let's all pull together and help others.
Then if this is all a lie, we will have stronger communities for the liars to deal with, and trust me that will worry them and if it's not a lie then we will have strong communities help one another through the devastion this is having on the economy.

Aspiemike

What you are all reading is  the media radio TV newspapers are all controlled by 4 families The elite of this world dont you think its strange the whole world are using the same rules  Nobody is dying of flu now all deaths are covid .A virus cannot be transmitted and a paper mask is like throwing sand at a chainlink fence ,useless its preventing you breathing properly and socially isolating you thats its purpose There is no deadly virus out there if there was ide be dead and everyone who does not wear a mask ,but they are not .open your eyes stop watching the news especially bbc remember they covered up Jimmy Saville they will not debate i wonder why because the government own them wake up smell the coffee 

kelly45

I refuse to watch the news after working through it and being with the ones dying of it.
If it's a lie, and there are 4 families behind this... what is their motive? As all they will achieve from such a lie is a community of strong people who will outnumber them, so they'll never be in control.

Cress

My own opinion?
I'll take science over God...
Wear a mask if you're able and stay safe...shame we dont have stats on cases of mask wearing versus praying in the fight against Covid...

Aspiemike

people were cueing for covid tests and got fed up of waiting went home and received positive test results. My son works for the company whos machines are the only ones allowed to be used for covid tests worldwide he is the only engineer in Ireland they have to service these machines and he knows what is going on to falsify the tests .your government is lying to you just follow the money .you will be cuing up to get these untested vaccination s next year which contain dna altering drugs plus mercury and other dangerous metals .Guinea pigs have already been paralysed by them and anyone stupid enough to have them should not complain when they are taken ill .why are pharmaceutical companies exempt from prosecution and why has our government put aside £135000 to any person who dies or seriously ill from the vaccination if they are safe .please open your eyes as to whats going on .it takes 15 years to test vaccines not 6 months i have never had a flu jab and never had the flu dont wear a mask and I'm alive ,I have resurched all I have said and its all facts and look outside the box the air is clean and virus s cannot be transmitted through the air .

Aspiemike

The big conspiracy is what you are being fed by the news .well you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink just wait till next year and the 3rd wave and mandatory vaccination and good luck to anyone foolish enough to take it .There are people who listen and people who listen but who are they listening to .you don't have to listen to me but check and see if what I have said is true .

Aspiemike

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Please watch 

Aspiemike

https://twitter.com/rightsforresid2/status/1324010251931234304

Aspiemike

you think this is ok is this what we pay our police to do 

Aspiemike

you won't see any of this on TV 

Cher_Scope

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