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pip interview - uncomfortable questions

countrycreaturecountrycreature Member Posts: 12 Listener
recently had my t/c interview for pip the assessor asked some questions that I didnt find relevant, can anyone clarify why they would require to know this? Also have you been asked similar questions.
- do you own a smartphone
- do you use social media 

there was nothing in my application about being illiterate which is the only reason i can think of why they would want to know this (ie can i read the content)

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    HI and welcome,

    You'll be very surprised at some of the questions they ask people but i can assure you they wouldn't have asked the questions unless they were relevant to your assessment. The answer to those questions can tell them a lot of things.

    It can often feel very uncomfortable talking about our conditions and the way we're affected by them. The mojority of people just "deal" with their conditions in the way they've got used to, i know i do anyway. If i wrote down how i'm affected then i'd be amazed at exactly how my disability affects me but i do things because i have no choice.

    All you can do is request a copy of the assessment report about a week after the assessment, if you live in the UK. Once you receive the report you'll have some idea what the decision is likely to be because they mostly go with the report. Check the recommended points against the PIP descriptors online.

    Hopefully you won't be waiting too long for a decision but there's no timescales.
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  • countrycreaturecountrycreature Member Posts: 12 Listener
    Hi I've recently received pip decision after t/c interview  (first time applying) & scored zero points. Progressing to MR seeking advice.
    There are a number of points in the decision letter (here on in rereferred to as DL)  that are inaccurate or misleading / don't include all of the information I shared with the assessor.

    DL says I am able to walk my dog thus have no mobility needs, however what I said was that I have a dog walker to take the dog long walks as I am only able to take the dog a 5 minute walk to the park across the road due to my arthritis making it painful to walk any longer than that.
      
    I have been marked down for driving a manual car can anyone shed light on this as I wouldn't have thought that everyone in receipt of pip drives an automatic car. 

    DL states that I did not make audible signs of pain during the phone consultation - I take medication to manage my pain & also wouldn't it have been rude for me to scream in pain during the call? 

    DL states I have no input from specialist teams re my osteo-arthritis but I discusses with with the GP who said a referral would be pointless as there is nothing that can be done for the condition. 

    DL states I did not need support during the phone call (managed alone) but assessor did not ask whether I had anyone there supporting me or not. 

    Sometimes the pain is so bad/unmanageable I suffer from blackouts/fainting attacks whilst I acknowledge that this tends to have a "warning" DL states I am able to get myself to a safe space in that warning time however this is not always the case as sometimes I am out in public. 

    Awarded zero for bathing & dressing sections due to having "adequate limb function" as I can grip a sponge in the bath/shower however I advised assessor I needed help from my partner getting in & out of the bath & putting my clothes on. 

    any advise is appreciated. I feel very deflated as am in constant pain & it feels like they don't believe me. 

  • countrycreaturecountrycreature Member Posts: 12 Listener
    HI and welcome,

    You'll be very surprised at some of the questions they ask people but i can assure you they wouldn't have asked the questions unless they were relevant to your assessment. The answer to those questions can tell them a lot of things.

    It can often feel very uncomfortable talking about our conditions and the way we're affected by them. The mojority of people just "deal" with their conditions in the way they've got used to, i know i do anyway. If i wrote down how i'm affected then i'd be amazed at exactly how my disability affects me but i do things because i have no choice.

    All you can do is request a copy of the assessment report about a week after the assessment, if you live in the UK. Once you receive the report you'll have some idea what the decision is likely to be because they mostly go with the report. Check the recommended points against the PIP descriptors online.

    Hopefully you won't be waiting too long for a decision but there's no timescales.
    Hi are you able to suggest what they would have been looking for from these questions, as i am still confused. Whilst I expected to be asked uncomfortable questions I struggle to see why it is relevant whether or not I have or use either of the above. Many people i know in receipt of pip have smartphones & use social media. 
    I have recieved outcome with decision letter & was awarded zero points for all categories. 

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    HI,

    When requesting the MR and Tribunal you should avoid mentioning any lies/contradictions that may have been told in the report because this is not going to get you a PIP award. If it gets to Tribunal, concentrating on the report can harm your case. They won't be interested in any of the "lies or contradictions"

    What you should do is state clearly where you think you should have scored those points and your reasons why. Then add a couple of real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you. Stating who was with you, where you were and exactly what happened.

    The car question is useful for them to know how you manage things like "getting in and out of the bath" Your grip and memory. You say you have blackouts and fainting attacks, yet you drive? That's quite scary.

    You mention you can walk for about 5 minutes but this can be quite a distance, depending on how fast you walk. Some people can walk quite fast and would be able to walk quite far in this short time.

    How far is the park that's near to you? if you walked this distance to the park, would you be able to walk the same distance back home and would you be able to do that again later that day? All the questions they ask are relevant in ways you wouldn't even realise.

    Hope this helps. Good luck.




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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    I've just answered another question of yours here https://community.scope.org.uk/discussion/74976/pip-appeal-help#latest I didn't link the 2 together. It would be helpful if you could keep to the same thread, rather than start new ones because it gets very confusing when trying to answer different questions between various threads from the same person.

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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,989 Disability Gamechanger
    The smartphone/social media question suggests that you have a degree of manual dexterity. It also tells them something about your sight. Added to that it may be aimed at your ability to not just read but understand and linked into that might be budgeting. 

    Having a smartphone also suggests a degree of mobility and if you do have the manual dexterity it suggests then that could be linked to the ability to do buttons, laces and zips when it comes to dressing and undressing. 

    As your other thread refers to arthritis and pain I think it’s possible to see exactly why it’s such a good question. 

    Reading across your two threads your reaction to zero points has been to pick holes in the HCP and the HCP report. This will not help you get PIP. If they are able to ask a question like the above and draw the inferences you mention in your other thread then that’s explicitly because you have large gaps in your evidence and a number of things you assumed they would know but they did not. To have any chance of improving your points score you need to put the HCP report to one side and focus on the weaknesses in your own evidence rather than the weaknesses in theirs. You have to prove that you are entitled to PIP rather than prove that they were wrong to say you were not. They are very different things. 
  • countrycreaturecountrycreature Member Posts: 12 Listener
    HI,

    When requesting the MR and Tribunal you should avoid mentioning any lies/contradictions that may have been told in the report because this is not going to get you a PIP award. If it gets to Tribunal, concentrating on the report can harm your case. They won't be interested in any of the "lies or contradictions"

    What you should do is state clearly where you think you should have scored those points and your reasons why. Then add a couple of real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you. Stating who was with you, where you were and exactly what happened.

    The car question is useful for them to know how you manage things like "getting in and out of the bath" Your grip and memory. You say you have blackouts and fainting attacks, yet you drive? That's quite scary.

    You mention you can walk for about 5 minutes but this can be quite a distance, depending on how fast you walk. Some people can walk quite fast and would be able to walk quite far in this short time.

    How far is the park that's near to you? if you walked this distance to the park, would you be able to walk the same distance back home and would you be able to do that again later that day? All the questions they ask are relevant in ways you wouldn't even realise.

    Hope this helps. Good luck.




    thank you for the helpful reply. 
    yes the DL was all i had to go on so wasnt sure if i was meant to reference it in my appeal but I will do as you advised. 

    yes I have had blackout as stated I get a bit of a warning thus if driving I would obviously pull over however DL states I can get to a safe place (not specifically in relation to driving) but i don't feel that is always the case. For example if i was driving i would pull over, but what about when I am out in public & a "safe place" isn't always accessible during the time period?

    re walking I would not say I walk at a fast pace.  5 mins is the maximum i can walk without stopping to rest due to the pain. The park is across the road, so the width of an average road, about 2-3 meters i think. 


  • countrycreaturecountrycreature Member Posts: 12 Listener
    The smartphone/social media question suggests that you have a degree of manual dexterity. It also tells them something about your sight. Added to that it may be aimed at your ability to not just read but understand and linked into that might be budgeting. 

    Having a smartphone also suggests a degree of mobility and if you do have the manual dexterity it suggests then that could be linked to the ability to do buttons, laces and zips when it comes to dressing and undressing. 

    As your other thread refers to arthritis and pain I think it’s possible to see exactly why it’s such a good question. 

    Reading across your two threads your reaction to zero points has been to pick holes in the HCP and the HCP report. This will not help you get PIP. If they are able to ask a question like the above and draw the inferences you mention in your other thread then that’s explicitly because you have large gaps in your evidence and a number of things you assumed they would know but they did not. To have any chance of improving your points score you need to put the HCP report to one side and focus on the weaknesses in your own evidence rather than the weaknesses in theirs. You have to prove that you are entitled to PIP rather than prove that they were wrong to say you were not. They are very different things. 
    I reported no issues with my sight thought. 

    thank you for clarifying manual dexterity.

    its not about picking holes, I simply came on this forum to request advice re progressing to MR, all i had to go on was their DL which as stated I feel has ommited some point which I did discuss with the assessor. I appreciate the pointers re how to progress things however do not appreciate the finger being pointed. Its a kick in the teeth when no one seems to believe the constant pain you are in. Simple tasks others take for granted are difficult for me & it's embarrassing to admit I cannot do many of these things alone eg getting dressed & bathe yet seems like I'm being told because you can type or lift a phone you are thus able to dress/bathe yourself etc. These tasks are different & whilst there may be similarities in some of the functions required there is still a difference. 

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    In all honesty, no one is pointing any fingers at you, at least i can't see that. You have simply been given advice and nothing more. Yes, i agree seeing things written that may not have been said is upsetting but you have to let that go because pointing those out will not get you a PIP award.

    We have lots of members here that have conditions that cause them pain, myself included, so yes, i do know what it feels like. I know what it feels like to want to be able to do things, but can't. That barrier is there right in front of me but if i cross that just one inch then i pay the price massively, so i try my hardest not to cross it.

    We are here to give advice, not to point fingers. You came here asking for advice, which you've been given. Many people here, including myself claim a disability benefit and having been through it all myself many times, including claiming for my daughter and being her appointee, her benefit claim is my responsibility, so double whammy for me.

    You don't have to take the advice of course but it would help you hugely if you did take it. Experience and understanding the PIP descriptors myself does help.

    I wish you good luck with your claim.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Answering different things on the same thread for the same person is for me extremely confusing so i'm asking admin to join this thread with your other one. In the meantime, i've answered on your other thread.
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  • chiariedschiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 8,018 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @countrycreature - I'm commentating on your threads somewhat late in the day, as I feel you've had excellent advice, however, I feel perhaps you lack an understanding about the descriptors/activities that are looked at with PIP, & I hope this might help with your MR. Please see: https://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/asset-library/Scores-for-PIP-Descriptors-2020.pdf  reading right through to the notes at the end.
    I appreciate that you feel all you have to go on is your Decision letter, which as many have found (myself included) contain 'inaccuracies'.....unfortunately there are also often 'cut & paste' responses which also bear little resemblance as to how you are.
    Right, honestly with your MR you need to put the assessor's report on which your Decision letter has been based to one side; that is in the past, & altho Mike gave examples as to what inferences might be made, they were examples, nothing more. Only you know how your disability affects you, which is a very personal response. This individual response is what's needed with your MR.....exactly how your disability affects you. If you look at the descriptors in the link above, what you need to do is give a couple of detailed examples as to the difficulties you face..... when was it difficult, what exactly happened, how was it difficult, did anyone see the difficulties you had, & how did it leave you feeling after attempting/doing any applicable descriptor? Could you do the activity 'reliably,' i.e. safely, to an acceptable standard, could you repeat said activity as often as would be reasonably expected, & did it take you longer than someone without your disability?
    As advised, about a week after your assessment, you can ring the DWP & ask for a copy of the assessor's report, which may be helpful. Then build your case with your MR as to where you feel points should have been awarded, & why, giving those very important detailed examples.
    Please be assured everyone here tries to help; only you can decide whether to take that advice onboard, but I strongly urge you to do so, as the members who have replied to you have a wealth of knowledge.

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,989 Disability Gamechanger
    I was making a general point about the question not specifically about sight. The point was that one question covers multiple activities and that’s the sole reason it is asked. It’s a great, intelligent question. 

    I must profess some bewilderment as to why you think fingers are being pointed. @poppy123456 and I have hopefully explained why the question was asked and why you need to forget about it and concentrate on other aspects of your claim. 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 874 Pioneering
    Great advice given above . I can’t give any factual helpful advice like above , I was asked if I use a phone or the internet I explained my partner messages me to remind me of my medication and I do check my emails ect I was given 0 points for communication even tho I struggle with communication but because I’m able to use the internet and check textes I was given 0 points for that . 

    I did recieve my pip I scored enough points to recieve pip so I have not gone threw a MR but im just letting you know that I was asked a similar question so it’s not just your self . I was also asked bout my dog also . But my illnesses are mental illnesses I’m not in physical pain . 

    It’s a real shame you didn’t get pip I know it’s a massive panic . But there people on here who can help you with your MR and there are people who have had there pip decisions over turned on here  which is great .

    when I sent my form off I did include a lot of paper work with how my condition affects me if you have any thing like that never too late to send that to them also . Good luck with it all . 
  • justlooking88justlooking88 Member Posts: 24 Connected
    The fact you drive a car means that it’s highly unlikely you will score for blackouts or loss of consciousness. You said you have enough time to pull over I believe? That’s enough time to make yourself safe. Or if it’s that bad and the risk is high then you should consider not driving anymore. 
  • countrycreaturecountrycreature Member Posts: 12 Listener
    thank you again for the responses. I am working on my MR currently.  To double check, should I say anything along the lines of "it was shared with the assessor that .... " or should i refrain from saying that what I said to the assessor or mentioning the word assessor. I'm confused. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You need to totally forget the report altogether, the assessment has gone, it's in the past. Look forward and think ahead because the report is not going to get you any award. A couple of recent real world examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you, is all that's needed. Please read back through the comments because the advice you need is all here in the thread.
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  • chiariedschiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 8,018 Disability Gamechanger
    edited November 2020
    Hi @countrycreature - the thing with your assessment is that it would be your word against the assessor's, & however incorrectly they have written your assessment report, it would be hard to prove. As has been advised above, please do describe your problems giving a couple of detailed examples of any functional problems you have. This, rather than saying an assessor was inaccurate, & concentrating on your assessment, is what may help you get awarded PIP. If there are one or 2 examples of something provably wrong in your assessment, by all means mention these, otherwise please do mention the activities you struggle with, & exactly why, what happens, etc.
    I was awarded the standard rate for PIP for both components, but proceeded to a MR because I'm in pain the moment I'm upright, which impacts greatly on my mobility. In my decision letter it said that I could walk further than I'd said (altho it noted that it could be seen I was in pain) because I didn't see 'a pain management nor physiotherapy specialist.' Now the assessor had reported that I'd said that my medication 'dampened the pain down a bit,' yet the Decision Maker said that I'd said my medication was 'effective.' So I commented about this, & also asked them to look at my GP's letter where he said pain management was largely ineffective in those with my genetic disorder. I also drew their attention to the fact that I am a physiotherapist (& sent off documentation proving this). Now these were perhaps provable examples of 'inaccuracies.' I hope this illustrates what I mean.
    You mention that your decision letter states you have no input from specialists about your osteoarthrosis (OA), & say your GP says,' a referral would be pointless as there is nothing that can be done for the condition.' Now that is a broad generalisation, as many people with OA can indeed be helped. I know not all, as I suffer from generalised OA myself due to my genetic condition. So that doesn't help you, unless you could say exactly why in your specific case this might be true. Many people have OA, but will be affected differently. Again, I hope this shows that your own detailed evidence is needed with your MR. I hope this may help.

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,989 Disability Gamechanger
    If the focus of your MR is the HCP report then pleasers-read the comments above as what we are saying is the exact opposite.
  • countrycreaturecountrycreature Member Posts: 12 Listener
    If the focus of your MR is the HCP report then pleasers-read the comments above as what we are saying is the exact opposite.
    no it's not the focus however as i was asking above am i allowed to reference it to highlight blantant inaccuracies eg. I shared I have a dog walker as cannot give the dog a suitable walk on my own but the report does not mention this & states I am able to walk my dog. 
    that's what I was getting at. 
  • countrycreaturecountrycreature Member Posts: 12 Listener
    chiarieds said:
    Hi @countrycreature - the thing with your assessment is that it would be your word against the assessor's, & however incorrectly they have written your assessment report, it would be hard to prove. As has been advised above, please do describe your problems giving a couple of detailed examples of any functional problems you have. This, rather than saying an assessor was inaccurate, & concentrating on your assessment, is what may help you get awarded PIP. If there are one or 2 examples of something provably wrong in your assessment, by all means mention these, otherwise please do mention the activities you struggle with, & exactly why, what happens, etc.
    I was awarded the standard rate for PIP for both components, but proceeded to a MR because I'm in pain the moment I'm upright, which impacts greatly on my mobility. In my decision letter it said that I could walk further than I'd said (altho it noted that it could be seen I was in pain) because I didn't see 'a pain management nor physiotherapy specialist.' Now the assessor had reported that I'd said that my medication 'dampened the pain down a bit,' yet the Decision Maker said that I'd said my medication was 'effective.' So I commented about this, & also asked them to look at my GP's letter where he said pain management was largely ineffective in those with my genetic disorder. I also drew their attention to the fact that I am a physiotherapist (& sent off documentation proving this). Now these were perhaps provable examples of 'inaccuracies.' I hope this illustrates what I mean.
    You mention that your decision letter states you have no input from specialists about your osteoarthrosis (OA), & say your GP says,' a referral would be pointless as there is nothing that can be done for the condition.' Now that is a broad generalisation, as many people with OA can indeed be helped. I know not all, as I suffer from generalised OA myself due to my genetic condition. So that doesn't help you, unless you could say exactly why in your specific case this might be true. Many people have OA, but will be affected differently. Again, I hope this shows that your own detailed evidence is needed with your MR. I hope this may help.

    thank you @[email protected] that was really helpful. 
    re the specialist input, i would welcome it as would welcome anything to help but what can I do if my GP is refusing to refer me telling me it wont help, should I ask them for further info why?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As advised many times through out the thread, please concentrate on where you think you should have scored those points and your reasons why. Further info from your GP why they are not refering you isn't going to help a PIP claim. A diagnosis is mostly not in question.
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  • chiariedschiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 8,018 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @countrycreature - you are very welcome.
    About your GP, would it be possible to see another in your practice? Or explain your concerns to this GP, & yes, query why he thinks nothing can be done. Perhaps physio might help, or a referral to a pain clinic. I hope you get somewhere with this, & kindly let us know.
    As far as my PIP claim went, all I had was a supportive letter from my GP detailing my mobility, & the permanent damage I had to my right arm, wrist & thumb; things he could see. The onus was on me to give those detailed examples mentioned above for the activities of daily living questioned with PIP. My MR was successful, & hope yours is too.
  • countrycreaturecountrycreature Member Posts: 12 Listener
    As advised many times through out the thread, please concentrate on where you think you should have scored those points and your reasons why. Further info from your GP why they are not refering you isn't going to help a PIP claim. A diagnosis is mostly not in question.
    Yes i am tackling the MR as advised giving examples & suggesting how many points i think i should have got & why. 
    I was asking for advice as essentially the full report that has the justification for descriptor decision in nearly all boxes says  "claimant advised they cannot do x because of OA however as there is no ongoing specialist input regarding this there is that would suggest the condition /pain is manageable & claimant can complete the activity. 

    that's the difficulty I'm having is that they have used basically the same reason for justification in almost every descriptor that I wrote anything under. So it feels like i'm in a catch 22 situation, my GP won't refer me for ongoing support/input & assessor is saying that without this (despite my descriptions of the pain & why the activity is difficulty for me & giving examples in both my form & interview) it essentially cant be that bad. 


    a couple of side questions under each section there are different points eg 8a, b, c d, e etc can you only be awarded once under that section so if 8a is 2 points but 8b is 3 points 8c is 5 points & i meet a & b would i get the 2 points from a & 3 points from be to total 5 points? as c i can manage due to description being slightly different (i've picked random activity & points there to use an example). 

    I also notice the format of the forms seems to have changed between the one i completed & their report.
    on the application i completed I filled out activity 11 mixing with other people but on the report that came through 11 is planning a journey. Activity 9 engaging with others face to face on the report seems to have replaced what was 11 mixing with others on my original application. The report says I didn't report any difficulty with this activity but on my application that activity was a different activity & everything that I did report under activity 11 mixing with people should really fit there under what is now activity 9, can I move it across? As I say there is no activity for what was 11 mixing with people now so if i don't move it across then it'll be lost & obviously the difficulties do still exists. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You seemed to be fixed on what was said in the report but it's been advised many times through out the thread, you need to forget about the report because this isn't going to score you any points. Rip it up and throw it away if you have to because it's in the past, gone and should be forgotten about.

    Having no specialist imput makes no difference at all.

    You can only score once in any activity. If more than 1 descriptor applies in an activity then you should score the descriptor for the highest points.

    You are confusing the question numbers on the form with the activities in the assessment report, which are 2 completely different things. Following and planning a journey is part of the mobility for PIP and there's 2 mobility activites. For the daily living part there's 10 activites. Not sure what you mean by "can you move everything accross". If you think the activity applies then you need to put why you think it applies.

    It maybe worth your while getting some expert advice with this process. For this, start here. https://advicelocal.uk/

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  • countrycreaturecountrycreature Member Posts: 12 Listener
    You seemed to be fixed on what was said in the report but it's been advised many times through out the thread, you need to forget about the report because this isn't going to score you any points. Rip it up and throw it away if you have to because it's in the past, gone and should be forgotten about.

    Having no specialist imput makes no difference at all.

    You can only score once in any activity. If more than 1 descriptor applies in an activity then you should score the descriptor for the highest points.

    You are confusing the question numbers on the form with the activities in the assessment report, which are 2 completely different things. Following and planning a journey is part of the mobility for PIP and there's 2 mobility activites. For the daily living part there's 10 activites. Not sure what you mean by "can you move everything accross". If you think the activity applies then you need to put why you think it applies.

    It maybe worth your while getting some expert advice with this process. For this, start here. https://advicelocal.uk/

    its easy to say forget about the report, i suppose my question is will whoever is "reconsidering" be refering back to the report to see what justifications were provided to dismiss my claim in the first place? 

    you say having specialist input makes no difference whilst I dont disput your point, what I am stating is that gp is telling me i can't get any & assessor is saying that without it they don't feel i should be in reciept of pip as my conditions obviously arent bad enought to require specialst input. Thus catch 22 

    perhaps I am muddled i filled out the form which the following descriptors 

    Daily living 
    - preparing & cooking a meal 
    - eating & drinking
    - managing treatments 
    - washing & bathing
    - managing toilet needs
    - dressing & undressing 
    - communicating verbally 
    - mixing with other people 
    - making decisions about money 

    mobility 
    - going out (planning & following a journey) 
    - moving around 

    I completed all that were relevant to myself including writing evidence under "mixing with other people" 

    on the report sheet there is no such activity. Most evidence under that section can also be placed in activity 9 on the report sheet "meeting other people face to face" 
    report says I didnt put anything under that descriptor however that was not a descriptor in the original application. it makes no reference to the "mixiing with other people" activity on the application form which is where all my evidence was. 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 874 Pioneering
    Hi there I personally have not done a MR but I have read a lot of similar posts on here. You have to try not to focus on what the other report said and concentrate on this MR. Any thing you can add to it like any thing from your doctor or even a family member or a friend To explain  how your illness affects your daily life .

    when I sent off my application for pip my partner wrote two pages of how he sees how my illness affects me , I also had my nurse and at the time I had a support worker she wrote bout how my illness affects me , also a medication list .  

    I think it’s important to let pip know how your illness affects you That’s really helpful . Good luck with it . 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Question 11 in the PIP 2 form (mixing with other people) is related to activity 9 engaging with others face to face. Both are same the same thing.

    Regarding the report, you are making this more difficult that it really needs to be. I don't see any catch 22. Lots of people successfully claim PIP and have no medical intervention, myself and my daughter are at least 2 of many thousands of others.

    I honestly don't know what other advice to give you.
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  • chiariedschiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 8,018 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @countrycreature - a MR is asking for another Decision Maker to look at your claim again.....this will be your initial 'How does my disability affect me' claim form, & any supporting evidence you were able to send at the time.
    As I've previously mentioned, you do get some 'cut & paste' quotes in your decision letter such as 'because you don't have any specialist input, you can therefore do a,b,c activities.' This can be hurtful to read, but many people claim PIP without any 'specialist info' at all, myself included. Again, you need to try & get past these 'bog standard responses,' which occur in many assessor's reports, & just simply say how your disability affects you, giving a couple of recent, detailed examples for any applicable activitiy.
    Whilst an understanding of the descriptors is important......again, please see: https://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/asset-library/Scores-for-PIP-Descriptors-2020.pdf      you just have to describe the problems you face doing/attempting some activities. You don't have to say which number the activity was about, just write about the difficulties you face. Just simply say how it is.
    I thought you were getting the hang of this, & I know it can appear difficult, but perhaps you are overthinking this.
    When I went through my PIP claim & MR I hadn't yet joined this forum, but wish I'd had the advice of Poppy & Mike back then. I don't know how much more they can say in trying to help you.

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,989 Disability Gamechanger
    There is absolutely no “Catch 22” here.

    The HCP says you don’t score because of a lack of specialist input. You have an explanation as to why not. Give your explanation. It deals with the issue. 

    The thing to remember is that 

    a - much of what a HCP does is to give a response based on a template. Same with decision letters. You can’t argue with a template based response as it often doesn’t make sense in the first place.

    b - the only reason the HCP was able to infer that the lack of specialist input meant anything was because you’d not addressed it head on in your claim pack. 

    c - it’s those gaps in your case not the flaws in the HCP case which will get you PIP. You simply can’t get PIP by attacking a HCP report. Hundreds of threads in here saying exactly the same thing. You get PIP through the strength of your evidence not the weakness of theirs. At a tribunal they would, for example, simply not entertain a prolonged discussion about the HCP report. They would see your verbal anecdotal evidence as being central. Put the HCP report away and put a case together without it and you will have a shot at an award before having to appeal. Keep referring back to it and you most likely will not have a winnable case. 
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