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Ibelive2020Ibelive2020 Member Posts: 803 Pioneering
edited January 5 in Coffee lounge
So mr johnson is addressing the nation tonight in a 8pm speech about schools etc well in my eyes he lifted lockdown 2 early and once again hes puts us in lockdown 2 late half time he doesn't know what hes doing what a 🤡 even if was gonna keep schools open I'm sorry but I ain't sending mine back I will homeschool them 

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  • RAwarriorRAwarrior Member Posts: 430 Pioneering
    Hi @Ibelive2020,

     I think we need another national lockdown because people just ignore the rules as they don’t wear face coverings in shops and ignore social distancing.
  • Ibelive2020Ibelive2020 Member Posts: 803 Pioneering
    @RAwarrior I totally agree with you there and ppl are still going into each others houses etc I wont let nobody in my house haven't since back end of feb 2020 as I have 6 kids and 3 of them are disabled and have severe health problems 
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    I agree a lockdown maybe the answer, but there is a fine balance between sending kids back to school (where the risk is minimal) and their mental well being from spending too much time at home with no interaction with their friends.
    I also disagree with this idea that people are ignoring the rules there is little evidence to support this wild assumption.
    Having said all that there is already a thread on here about this
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/75810/borris-johnson-to-hold-televised-coronavirus-update-at-8pm-tonight#latest
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • RAwarriorRAwarrior Member Posts: 430 Pioneering
    Hi @woodbine,

    The problem is whilst children might not suffer from a severe illness, the fact is they mix  with other households which means they can spread it to more vulnerable people who can die from Covid.

    I am really disappointed with your comments because I am not making ” wild assumptions”I have actually witnessed lots of people ignoring the rules throughout the pandemic in several different situations. 

    People also have the right to start their own thread even if there is a similar one.

    I am shielding again so I will protect myself because I don’t have the luxury of living in a area where people follow the rules.  

    Please don’t insult me by saying I have made my remarks based on The Daily Mail, because I have only commented on what I have actually seen!  I am really surprised by your comments because just because people follow the rules in your area doesn’t mean that they follow the rules elsewhere. To suggest that I comment based on a really dreadful newspaper is insulting.
  • RAwarriorRAwarrior Member Posts: 430 Pioneering
    Hi @Ibelive2020

    I agree with your comments and I am in the shielding group so I don’t let anyone come into my home.

    I have had to protect myself because of the large number of people who I have witnessed ignoring the rules in shops, at the hospital, in the pharmacy, petrol stations, in the park etc. 
  • SeanchaiSeanchai Member Posts: 411 Pioneering
    I can only speak from my area of east central Scotland on ignoring the rules ....Christmas and Hogmany there were parties in houses , with people coming and going all night long and into the first and second of January. 🙄
    I wonder why flights in and out the country are still ongoing ?...Surely flights should be halted until we are over the worst of this virus . 
    I even saw an advert on TV for flights to Spain in April ...." Only £19.99 if you book within the next week " ...oh dear 🤔🙄😣
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,651 Listener
    Seanchai said:
    I can only speak from my area of east central Scotland on ignoring the rules ....Christmas and Hogmany there were parties in houses , with people coming and going all night long and into the first and second of January. 🙄
    I wonder why flights in and out the country are still ongoing ?...Surely flights should be halted until we are over the worst of this virus . 
    I even saw an advert on TV for flights to Spain in April ...." Only £19.99 if you book within the next week " ...oh dear 🤔🙄😣
    Those cheap Airlines are a complete con IMO, they advertise £20 fares, but what they don't tell you is that that's £20 there but you have to fork out another 20 quid to come back! And even then you'd have to self isolate for a fortnight once you're back in the Country!


  • RAwarriorRAwarrior Member Posts: 430 Pioneering
    Hi @Seanchai,

    I have also commented on what I have actually seen since the pandemic began. 

    The majority of people I have seen in the local shops including the staff do not wear face coverings.

    I have seen huge groups of different households mixing in the park with no social distancing.

    I have seen lots of patients wearing their masks under their chin or nose or not at all. I have spoken to hospital staff who are frightened because of the lack of compliance with the wearing of face coverings.

    I have seen medical staff wearing masks under noses or chins.

    All of the above is what I have experienced and not read in a newspaper.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,651 Listener
    I had a job interview at the Co Op in Shiregreen last September, and one of the questions I asked during the interview was would I be forced to wear a mask if I was successful? The Manager said they didn't enforce masks for staff or customers and it was completely optional, I'm kind of glad I didn't get the job in that case, never mind the fact that Netherthorpe to Shiregreen would've been a right royal pain in the gonads of a journey!

  • RAwarriorRAwarrior Member Posts: 430 Pioneering
    The wearing of face coverings is not optional in shops. Staff and customers are required to wear them unless the person has an exemption.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    RAwarrior said:
    The wearing of face coverings is not optional in shops. Staff and customers are required to wear them unless the person has an exemption.

    Unless they are behind a screen/barrier and then they don't need to wear one. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • RAwarriorRAwarrior Member Posts: 430 Pioneering
    I have read the guidance and I am talking about staff and shop owners blatantly ignoring the rules on the shop floor.

    It’s no longer an issue for me because I refuse to go to these shops where customers just walk in without a face covering, don’t social distance and then laugh at me because I am scared😞
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes, you've said that quite a few times now.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • RAwarriorRAwarrior Member Posts: 430 Pioneering
    The fact that I have had to mention it several times shows just how worried I am. 
    I also thought that I was able to post my experiences on here?

    It took a lot for me to join this online community and I have always been open when making posts.

    I thought the community was here to support each other especially when people in my situation are extremely anxious.

    However, I won’t bother commenting any further as I am actually disappointed with some people on here tonight as I thought this forum was here for people to support each other. 

    I have had a lot of support since joining, unfortunately 
    I have recently noticed some people picking on other members which I think is a real pity because this is not what I would expect on here. This is not why I joined.

    I appreciate that Covid 19 is an emotive subject but many people are extremely worried.

    Your above comment is not helpful for me and I believe it was uncalled for. 

    I think it’s time I stopped posting on Scope because it is becoming a place for people to argue and upset others.😞

    The last thing I need is to get upset especially at the moment.
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 4
    RAwarrior said:
    Hi @woodbine,

    The problem is whilst children might not suffer from a severe illness, the fact is they mix  with other households which means they can spread it to more vulnerable people who can die from Covid.

    I am really disappointed with your comments because I am not making ” wild assumptions”I have actually witnessed lots of people ignoring the rules throughout the pandemic in several different situations. 

    People also have the right to start their own thread even if there is a similar one.

    I am shielding again so I will protect myself because I don’t have the luxury of living in a area where people follow the rules.  

    Please don’t insult me by saying I have made my remarks based on The Daily Mail, because I have only commented on what I have actually seen!  I am really surprised by your comments because just because people follow the rules in your area doesn’t mean that they follow the rules elsewhere. To suggest that I comment based on a really dr
    I didn't suggest you didn't have the right to start a thread I just pointed out that there already was one (something many of us would do on here), the daily mail comment was tongue in cheek. I live in a fairly rural area but we shop in a large urban town and I doubt that where we live is any different when it comes to people following the rules, you have only got to watch the endless TV news footage to see the vast majority of people are aware of and follow the rules, if you are and have been shielding I would assume that you haven't been out and about to see this.I have a 7 year old grandson he went back to school in the summer term and they couldn't have done more to protect him his friends and the staff, he went back to school yesterday and he will be disappointed (to say the least)to find out that he won't be going back for six weeks, there's only him and his mum and she has been working from home for 9 months now, it won't be easy for her to have him at home and work from home, like all things it's a balancing act. AND WE ALL have to accept that lockdowns impact differently on different households and that one size doesn't fit all.
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • Ibelive2020Ibelive2020 Member Posts: 803 Pioneering
    @RAwarrior please dont be upset we are all meant to be here for one and another I know that I am here to guide and support each and everyone of yous on this scope community even though I can be bit crazy at times if you ever want to chat about anything or you want to have a rant I'm here for you please takecare staysafe my friend xxx
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    I had a job interview at the Co Op in Shiregreen last September, and one of the questions I asked during the interview was would I be forced to wear a mask if I was successful? The Manager said they didn't enforce masks for staff or customers and it was completely optional, I'm kind of glad I didn't get the job in that case, never mind the fact that Netherthorpe to Shiregreen would've been a right royal pain in the gonads of a journey!

    The rules on staff and mask wearing changed in October, but I thought you didn't even want sheffield to go into tier 4 let alone a full lockdown?
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • Ibelive2020Ibelive2020 Member Posts: 803 Pioneering
    @woodbine I have 6 children at home 3 have complex needs and 5 my children are at school age even if we weren't in national lockdown i was going too home teach my children anyway I'm abso scared to death of any of my children catching covid 19 esp my children who are vulnerable and who have complex needs I'm worried sick 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    The community is indeed here to support people but this doesn't mean we can't speak our minds as has been pointed out to me quite a few times recently. If we can't speak our minds once in a while then something is seriously wrong here.

    I also agree with @woodbine here, for someone who's been shielding i'm confused why you know so many people are not wearing face coverings or social distancing.

    We are all indeed affected differently by Covid and my daughter lost everything during the first lockdown and her support never did return. She maybe almost 20 but she doesn't socialise with anyone and has no friends so it's affected her a lot. She relied on her support to take her out into the community.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • RAwarriorRAwarrior Member Posts: 430 Pioneering
    @woodbine

    I have commented on what I have seen. If you don’t believe me, it’s your choice. 

    I can’t repeat myself because I will get commented on by others

    I won’t be posting on here for the moment. I didn’t join to be effectively called a liar.
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    @RAwarrior i did not call you a liar, I pointed out that my experience of how people have behaved differs from yours.
    I do however refuse to apologise for trying to be positive about a bad situation.
    I'm sorry you feel unable to post further, you might be one of a growing number.

    I wish you well.
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • Ibelive2020Ibelive2020 Member Posts: 803 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 sorry too hear about your daughter losing her support during first lockdown that must be awful I dont really socialise with anybody either people on my street call me boring and a house hermit but I let it go over my head now because if they calling me at least they are leaving someone else alone
  • RAwarriorRAwarrior Member Posts: 430 Pioneering
    @woodbine
    @poppy123456

    I am not a liar and I am commenting on what I have seen. I am not bothered if you don’t believe me but it is really bad that my posts are in doubt.

    I am not going to give either of you an explanation about how I know people break the rules.

    I could name all the places where I have seen people breaking the rules but it’s not worth the effort.

    However, I do disagree with the way in which both of you comment about other posts. 

    Scope is here to help and support disabled people with many different issues. 

    Someone can speak their mind but effectively calling me a liar is unacceptable. I didn’t join Scope to be called a liar.

    I have always posted things which I have witnessed or experienced. I don’t make things up and lie.

    I didn’t join to be called a liar. 

    I don’t know what your motivation is for responding to people in this way. I have noticed your responses to other people’s posts as well as my ones.

    However, I have decided to leave the forum because recently it has become a place for bullying. I was bullied and harassed for years at work and I don’t need people like you to try to bully or upset me.
     
    I need to do what is best for myself and being called dishonest is not for me.

    I just hope Scope doesn’t lose other members😞
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    I was so going to walk away from this one but I feel I have to defend if not myself then someone who plays an important part in giving serious help to many many people on here @poppy123456 does not deserve your criticism and I will not sit back and allow it, personally Ive got broad shoulders and can take it as well as dish it out. But don't accuse us of calling you a liar, just because someone says their experience is different than yours doesn't mean they are calling you a liar, and its doesn't mean they are trying to bully you, and if you can't take a bit of light hearted banter then perhaps internet forums aren't for you.
    Believe me this place is all peace and light compared to many forums out there !
    Like all forums members come and go some are missed some aren't.
    I've had my say and will leave it at that. And again i will say i wish you well because I genuinely do.
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I can't see anywhere on any posts where anyone has specifically called you a liar. If you think differently then please go ahead and quote those specific comments.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
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    Level playing fields England and Wales  both as bad as one another braking the rules 
  • Ibelive2020Ibelive2020 Member Posts: 803 Pioneering
    @lisathomas its ridiculous some people aren't bothered bout covid u should c them round here some ppls houses are like grand central station they walk round in big groups etc no need for it 
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