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Curfew for men

Sandy_123Sandy_123 Member Posts: 1,541 Pioneering
It is being discussed that a curfew for men be done for 6pm in the evening to keep women safer, Wales are considering it at the moment, to me I can't see that being a thing.

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  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 11,201 Disability Gamechanger
    Not very realistic or fair for majority who are no threat to anyone 
  • Sandy_123Sandy_123 Member Posts: 1,541 Pioneering
    @janer1967 yes I agree, i don't think it will ever be passed to go ahead, even tho Wales are considering it. I'm sirprised it's even a thought.
  • MarkN88MarkN88 Member Posts: 1,302 Pioneering
    Where was this reported on? Any links?
  • Sandy_123Sandy_123 Member Posts: 1,541 Pioneering
  • OxonladyOxonlady Member Posts: 412 Pioneering
    Hi everyone, society can't punish all men for the actions of the few who are cruel, ignorant and violent. What message would that give to our decent fathers, brothers, husbands?
    Don't forget that sometimes gay men are also assaulted by "straight" men who think it's all right to attack someone for being different.
    Here in London girls are also involved in gangs and the evil actions they take.
    How do we find a way to get the message across that aggression, violence and murder, committed by anyone irrespective of gender are not acceptable in a civilised society? Are some individuals born evil or can they change? I wish I knew the answer... 
  • 66Mustang66Mustang Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,100 Disability Gamechanger
    edited March 12
    After reading this on another forum I think this idea was not serious, it was kind of hypothetically raised to highlight that some women self impose a curfew on themselves because they feel endangered and how would men feel if they had to stay in.

    That said I don’t agree with it in slightest and just backs up my thoughts that society thinks it’s OK to be sexist against men but not against women, racist against white people but not against black people etc.
  • Sandy_123Sandy_123 Member Posts: 1,541 Pioneering
    I think the starting point should be tougher sentancing, harsher punishments, I still don't get how people do half a sentence for good behaviour, also jury service should be taken away as I've done it and half people who were there, were not intrested in the case, it was just they were forced to do it. Should be made into a profession. 
  • MarkN88MarkN88 Member Posts: 1,302 Pioneering
  • 66Mustang66Mustang Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,100 Disability Gamechanger
    As a family we know several people who did jury service and more than one just went with the majority to get the trial over and done with, another one said guilty because the person “looked dodgy” etc!
  • Sandy_123Sandy_123 Member Posts: 1,541 Pioneering
    @66Mustang in the jury group I was in, some went with every one as they just wasn't interested, some said can we just say any thing to get out of this quicker, about 4 of us took it serious. It needs to be a profession, then those who applied would do it properly.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Posts: 4,363 Disability Gamechanger
    I think it will get passed in wales there has been alot of crimes against women alot of fighting in the streets only yesterday 15 Miles from where I live there was a major incident of a group of men fighting with knives in the street three injured  last week 16 year old girl stabbed by a man and died Cardiff alot of men knife crime same in Swansea brigend don't know if a curfew is going to help 
  • Sandy_123Sandy_123 Member Posts: 1,541 Pioneering
    Yes @lisathomas50 i read about that poor 16 year old girl. The thing is if some men want to do these things they'll just do it earlier or break the curfew, be interesting to see if they fetch it into wales
  • Cher_ScopeCher_Scope Posts: 4,059

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    Interesting thread.  The sad death of Sarah Everard has raised lots of questions about women's safety, particularly happening in such a busy city spot.  In my opinion, it shouldn't be the case that women or men are scared to walk their own streets and I know I've crossed the road before when feeling vulnerable, pretended to ring someone or changed my direction.  Like you say @Oxonlady - what is the answer though?  I don't think it lies in denigrating an entire gender and ultimately we can't eradicate bad from the world, but that doesn't mean we should accept the status quo.  Hmm.  
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Posts: 4,363 Disability Gamechanger
    @Sandy_123 as you say if it is going to happen then it's going to happen any way I don't think it's all men I think its just men who have committed crimes yesterday was horrible in the middle of neath Wales on line put the video up 6 men and a woman trying to stop it  alot of injurys armed police madness 
  • Sandy_123Sandy_123 Member Posts: 1,541 Pioneering
    @Cher_Scope I've just been reading latest about Sarah s murderer, apparently he didnt know her, i thought maybe an old boyfreind or something. Now police are checking other areas that might be related to him. 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Posts: 4,363 Disability Gamechanger
    The Sarah Everard case is a serving police officer and a woman suspected of helping him thsts more scarey when its a serving police officer not long ago 2 police officers were arrested and convicted for rape makes you wonder who you can trust 

    The Clydach murders in wales has now bee rr opend becsuse it's believed that a serving police officer has committed the crimes instead of the man that was sent to prison 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Posts: 4,363 Disability Gamechanger
    @Oxonlady they say some people are born like it and if it was noticed when they were children they may have been able to re train their brain 

    Psychopaths  was a good study I was involved in a couple of years ago they are very intelligent manipulate people and they fool people into doing things and they have different identys  they abuse men and women 

    The scary part is they show a friendly careing side to get a person on side but thry have no empathy or emotion  they feel no pain thry only live for their self and take whst they want 

    The one I studied was a man called will Jordan  he had many identys  and was married to many women took all there money got them to tske loans out for him got them all pregnant very good study now one of his ex wives has written and published  books about him 

    It's not only men thst do things its also women  such as myra Hindley  rosemary West and many more like them so it isn't just men 

    It's still hard for men thst have been abused and beaten by women  because men are to embarrassed to report it  

    There is no cure for some people but the law needs to have tougher laws and life in prison should mean life not 15 years 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Posts: 4,363 Disability Gamechanger
    The baroness is using the Sarah case for her platform but it wasn't a domestic violence case its a serving police officer that has been arrested for the crime

    Does the baroness want all male police officers to be on curfew as well 

    I agree that men who have committed crimes against women should be tagged and put on curfew but I also agree that women who committ crimes against men should be treated the same 
  • Sandy_123Sandy_123 Member Posts: 1,541 Pioneering
    @lisathomas50 psychopaths scare me, if I ever decided to go into a new relationship, I would be scared to I think.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Posts: 4,363 Disability Gamechanger
    @Sandy_123 William Jordan is still  doing it if you type in William Jordan physchopath one of his ex wives gave an interview with her daughter you csnt tell they are becsuse they are so believable 
  • leeCalleeCal Member Posts: 3,705 Disability Gamechanger
    edited March 12
    The baroness was making a point that’s all, a serious point though.

    i personally don’t go out after dark if I can help it, I’d never thought about it as a self imposed curfew but I suppose that’s what it is. I just don’t feel safe in the streets at night at all. My partner thinks it’s amusing but she seldom goes out after dark either.

    during the day time if I find myself walking behind a woman I cross over to help her feel more comfortable and I might slow down to give extra space between us. There’s not much else I can do.
  • leeCalleeCal Member Posts: 3,705 Disability Gamechanger
  • Sandy_123Sandy_123 Member Posts: 1,541 Pioneering
    @leeCal I wouldn't go out after dark either  unless I was in a vehicle 
    @lisathomas50 I had a quick read
  • AlisonNettyAlisonNetty Member Posts: 138 Pioneering
    Not all men are bad, by putting the curfew in you would be using the same brush for every man.... that's not fair!
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 4,522 Disability Gamechanger
    There will be no 6pm curfew on men I can promise you that here and now, not even in Wales, we are not some third world country, and if you step back and think about it considering we have a population of 66 million, in 2019 (i'm not comparing 2020 due to covid) there were just 650 murders down from 774 in 2018.
    The current case that is attracting so much publicity is only doing so because the alleged murderer was a serving policeman, and if that is the case it will be highly unusual (I'm choosing my words carefully here).
    What we need to do imho is educate our young men that women should be respected, something that is being missed ,as very young men have easy access to porn on their mobile phones and laptops, and they are being lead to think that women are just objects that are there for their gratification, I firmly believe that the internet is in the main a force for good in our lives but sadly it does have its dark side.

    As ever knee jerk reactions serve little or no place in a modern society.
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  • GeoarkGeoark Member, Scope Volunteer Posts: 1,375 Disability Gamechanger
    To be honest I don't think it will be passed. First the majority in all four parliaments/assemblies are men. Second it is totally impractical. For one thing it would kill off the economy if all men had to be in by 6pm, or even 9pm. Finally how would it makes things safer for women, and children in abusive relationships where the abuser is forced to be home from 6pm?

    At best it is an interesting talking point to get more air time and inches in the press.

    On the other hand what I do like about the current conversation is it not about how women are to blame, but rather what men can do to help make women feel safer. Plus more talk about teaching young men - though it is a lesson many older men could do with - how to treat women, and in particular how not to treat them.


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