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Astra Zeneca vaccine long term symptoms

Addie_S1
Addie_S1 Member Posts: 1 Listener
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Hi,
I had the Astra Zeneca vaccine 10 days ago, I was hospitalised last weekend and had various tests that have come back normal. I still have a terrible headache, my body feels like lead and I have dizzy spells and I still feel very unwell. Has anyone else felt like this? I'm getting worried that I'm going to feel like this forever. Anyone else had the same experience?

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  • Tori_Scope
    Tori_Scope Posts: 6,151

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    edited May 21
    Hi @Addie_S1 :) Welcome to the community. 

    I'm sorry to hear that you've been feeling unwell. Some people do unfortunately experience negative side effects after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines, but these do usually subside after a while. 

    The known possible side effects listed on the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine information leaflet are:
    Very Common (may affect more than 1 in 10 people)
    • tenderness, pain, warmth, itching or bruising where the injection is given
    • generally feeling unwell
    • feeling tired (fatigue)
    • chills or feeling feverish
    • headache
    • feeling sick (nausea)
    • joint pain or muscle ache
    Common (may affect up to 1 in 10 people)
    • swelling, redness or a lump at the injection site
    • fever
    • being sick (vomiting) or diarrhoea
    • flu-like symptoms, such as high temperature, sore throat, runny nose, cough and chills
    Uncommon (may affect up to 1 in 100 people)
    • feeling dizzy
    • decreased appetite
    • abdominal pain
    • enlarged lymph nodes
    • excessive sweating, itchy skin or rash
    The leaflet also states that
    most side effects were mild to moderate in nature and resolved within a few days with some still present a week after vaccination.
    So, it could be that the symptoms you've been experiencing are due to the coronavirus vaccine. It could also be a coincidence, and you're unwell with another illness. Have you been keeping in touch with your doctor regarding your ongoing symptoms? What were you told when you were discharged from hospital?

    Have you reported your symptoms through the Yellow Card reporting website

    Additional note: it's important that you receive the coronavirus vaccine once you're eligible. If you have concerns about whether the coronavirus vaccine is safe for you to take, you should discuss this with your GP. 
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  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,357 Disability Gamechanger
    I really hate to say this but its like here we go again, someone has vaccine suffers what maybe side effects but could just be a coincidence and they suddenly find scope. Call me a cynic.

    I hope this thread will come with the usual health warning? And that it won't put anybody off having either their first or second jab of either vaccine, as when all is said and done 127,000 have died from the virus in the uk and as far as i'm aware nobody has died from the vaccine.

    @Addie_S1 welcome to scope I hope you soon feel better.
    I am a person with epilepsy not an epileptic, my illness doesn't define me.
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Posts: 4,623 Disability Gamechanger
    I think that only scope staff should answer when some one asks about the vacinaation 
  • MarkM88
    MarkM88 Member Posts: 1,836 Pioneering
    Lisa, I think we are all entitled to contribute on any topic we wish to. However, I do agree that people can’t start making assumptions that their symptoms and the fact they are unwell is because of the vaccine. 
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Posts: 4,623 Disability Gamechanger
    I understand where your comeing from @MarkN88 but it causes alot of arguments and upset  and you can't freely talk about  it  I don't dint think it should be aired on any forum  things like this should be left to professional people 
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 12,379 Disability Gamechanger
    Interesting @lisathomas50 you think only admin should reply yet here you are you may not be giving advice about the topic but still having your input 
    I have professional experience in HR within public,  private, and charity sectors.  If I can't help I will
  • Cher_Inactive
    Cher_Inactive Posts: 4,414

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    edited May 22
    Hi everyone :)

    If you have any input around moderation decisions, please feel free to email the team at [email protected] as to avoid threads being derailed from the OP's question.  

    @Addie_S1 It's reassuring that your test results came back as normal and I hope @Tori_Scope 's advice helped.  The best person to speak to in this instance would be your GP to allay any underlying fears as we aren't medical professionals.  Good luck and I hope you have a speedy recovery.  

    Just to add, I've added a disclaimer to your initial post as there's no evidence to suggest that you feeling unwell still is a direct consequence of receiving the vaccine.  Unfortunately, it could be a result of numerous factors and coincidental timing therefore it's best to highlight this for anyone reading who might otherwise be unnecessarily alarmed.  Thank you for understanding.  
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  • DaddyBear
    DaddyBear Member Posts: 35 Connected
    So sorry to know you had such a tough time after your Astra Zenica  vacination. Some people have had some side affects of various degrees. I am fully Vacinated with Astra Zenica. No issues so far. I will be honest, I have no idea why some have no side affects yet others like yourself have some serious side affects. I hope you will start to feel more yourself soon.
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,357 Disability Gamechanger
    edited June 1
    I have now had both shots of the oxford vax and nothing more than a dull upper arm for half a day, a bit like the flu jab, I also know at least 5 others who have now had both doses with nothing more than the dull arm I have had.
    But at the moment it's still a personal choice although there has been talk in govt this weekend about making it compulsary in the care sector, not sure how that would work, and today in Bradford they have started testing third doses to get an idea of how the booster jab might work later in the year.
    Like I said atm its personal choice but it still looks like the best and only way out of this pandemic.

    I am a person with epilepsy not an epileptic, my illness doesn't define me.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,538 Disability Gamechanger
    I tend towards the view that the people who claim it’s a personal decision are those to whom it never occurs that the reason they’re alive and sat on a forum chewing the fat is largely because their parents lived in a world where vaccinations were often the difference between their child having a life or not. 

    Without the vaccinations your utterly reckless, idiotic, ill-informed parents unquestioningly took you for as a child your life expectancy would be approximately 40 years less than it is now. Essentially if you’re over 40 and hold such views then some joining of very big dots is required. Without your parents signing up for this thing being portrayed as a “personal choice” there’s a good chance you wouldn’t be alive to have an opinion. 

    So yeah, technically it’s a “personal decision” but life expectancy in parts of the UK is now declining for the first time in a century. Some more dots to be joined there.
  • deb74
    deb74 Member Posts: 767 Pioneering
    I have had both my jabs of the oxford vaccine and didn't get any symptoms but I know a couple of people who did have flu like symptoms after the oxford jab.
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Posts: 4,623 Disability Gamechanger
    Mike my parents must be bad then I didn't have any vacinations when I was a baby or when I was older not even in school 
  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Member Posts: 2,024 Pioneering
    I don't remember having any vaccines  as a child, I know I had all the illnesses like measles etc,  only 1 I remember to was the TB one, I could be wrong but don't recall it. The corona vaccine is not given to children but adults who can make a personal choice. 
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Posts: 4,623 Disability Gamechanger
    The choice was taken out of my hands by my drs and my consultant 

    I will be totally honest if I had the choice I probably wouldn't of had it any way but that is my personal choice I wouldn't tell someone else not to have it but I would not try and talk someone else into haveing if I was asked I would have to tell that person I couldn't make that decision for them 
  • rungirlrun
    rungirlrun Member Posts: 1 Listener
    edited June 21
    HI Addie, I thought I would join this forum, as I have been searching the internet to see if anyone else is suffering from "possible" adverse effects from the vaccine. I am post-vaccine (jab one) 15 days now from the first AstroZenica and have finally made an appointment to see my doctor in two days. I think it is important to share our experiences, as we who have symptoms over weeks, can feel so alone, if not scared. My symptoms are excessive nauseous, not unlike my three pregnancies fifteen years ago now. I am super fit, with a resting pulse around 38-42; my blood pressure is low (105/64), temperature 36.5, and riding my road and mountain bike well (former international athlete) But, the nauseous has been highly unpleasant post-vaccine. Interestingly, my brother (lean, reasonably fit, super healthy) is still having unpleasant, but mild stomach cramps post 4 weeks.... wondering if it is a genetic reaction for us? My older sister in the UK was fine though... Anyway, I will share what my doctor finds in two days, so I can offer our learnings with all. Maybe some people have symptoms weeks and weeks later and it is perfectly normal??? It is not fun nonetheless, and it is good to have our voices heard too.  I feel so alone in this and feel like the "unfortunate/unlucky" one/ones. I hope it ends soon. 

    P.S. The Australian government has now advised all people under 60 to have the Pfizer, not the Astra Zenica, which is a bummer, as I am in my mid 50's! We have such a low death rate and all over 75. So the risk of the AZ for us, unlike you, is greater for us than covid. 48 blood clots, 35 hospitalizations, 15 in ICU, and two died from blood clots recently sadly. Impressively, Zero covid hospitalizations over here in the last ten months; most States zero fatalities for nearly a year and a half (NSW with a population of 8.2 million has had 58 deaths in March 2020, mainly from a cruise ship of retirees and in nursing homes; nothing since. A highly impressive female premier in NSW.)
  • kelics
    kelics Member Posts: 84 Courageous
    I was really unwell the morning after vaccine, but that went away by the end of the day
  • LesleyHolmes
    LesleyHolmes Member Posts: 1 Listener
    edited August 7

    Moderator note:

    This post contains unverified claims regarding COVID-19 vaccines. Please refer to official government/NHS information on COVID-19 vaccines.

    I am not anti vaccine in general. These are my experiences and facts.

    I had my flue jab and pneumonia jab around Christmas/January. I had my second dose of Atra covid jab in May this year. 

    I have a number of conditions and was pressured by family and the GP into having the covid jab.

    The flu jab and pneumonia jab always make me feel poorly and out of sorts. This lasts a couple of weeks at most.
    The covid jab had left me exhausted, fluey, joint pain and muscle pain to the point that I am bed bound. I am so light sensitive I sit in a dark room with polaroid glasses on whilst I use the laptop and have a virtually permanent head ache. I now have 'brain freeze' pain in my jaw, roof of my mouth and head on and off every day. I have zero appetite. I am on my second dose of antibiotics and steroids for abscesses and chest infections which I usually fight off with antibiotics at the most. I already had ectopic heart beats (machine from cardio at hospital to measure these) which have grown worse since the jabs. I cant lift or take any weight with my left arm (jab arm) and rotation is so painful it makes me cry.

    GP says side effects of the jab are short term and are usually limited to localised soreness which goes in a few days. The benefits outweigh the risks blardy blar blar here have antibiotics, steroids, a different heart med, asthma med, pain killer, migraine pill, stomach pill etc etc.

    What I have found is that my inflammation markers have gone through the roof. All pre-existing conditions are worse.  I hope things get better because this is a living death which has caused a massive impact on both myself and my family.
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Posts: 4,623 Disability Gamechanger
    Why are certain countries not letting people go there if they have had the Astrazenica  vacination ???
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,357 Disability Gamechanger
    Probably because many countries inc EU ones have a low vaccination rate still ?
    I am a person with epilepsy not an epileptic, my illness doesn't define me.
  • vikingqueen
    vikingqueen Member Posts: 548 Pioneering
      It was the Indian Astrazenica Covishield vaccination  that wasn't being allowed in some EU countries
  • atlas47
    atlas47 Member Posts: 243 Pioneering
    Hi @Cher_Scope

    Might I kindly remind Scope, that there is a very comprehensive system, setup by our leading clinicians and scientists, to report adverse of affects, following vaccination.

    Such reporting and subsequent detailed analysis, is vital to the world’s dealing with COVD19.

    Please take a look at the 
    https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

    There is no research value to be gained from such threads, on an open forum, that does not have validated and qualified evidence.

    If forum members wish to report an adverse reaction, then please use the yellow card system.

    Best wishes
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,538 Disability Gamechanger
    Well quite. Correlation is not causation. 

    I recently had dealings with someone absolutely adamant of similar. Had the vaccine. Became ill. Had to be the vaccine. Now recovering from good old glandular fever.
  • atlas47
    atlas47 Member Posts: 243 Pioneering
    Hi @mikehughescq

    I refer you kindly, to the yellow card system, for the above reason previously explained.

    Hearsay is no say, in a court of law.

    Nor indeed, is the scientific and medical evidence gatherings on an open forum like this.

    For the record I am flagging up this thread.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,538 Disability Gamechanger
    Fully aware of the yellow card scheme thanks @atlas47

    Not a fan of publicly announcing you’re flagging something. It’s like showing off. If something needs reporting then just report it.
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,357 Disability Gamechanger
    atlas47 said:
    Hi @mikehughescq

    I refer you kindly, to the yellow card system, for the above reason previously explained.

    Hearsay is no say, in a court of law.

    Nor indeed, is the scientific and medical evidence gatherings on an open forum like this.

    For the record I am flagging up this thread.
    The yellow card scheme has been discussed a number of times on this forum, and the OP in this thread does come with a warning, so not quite sure what there is to "flag up" ?
    I am a person with epilepsy not an epileptic, my illness doesn't define me.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,538 Disability Gamechanger
    Very clearly a fundamental problem with a post asserting a relationship between a vaccination and a set of symptoms not recognised as consequences of same. GP has dismissed the link so the GP is dismissed. Opinion presented as fact. A straightforward breach of forum rules as @atlas47 rightly noted. 
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    Tori_Scope Posts: 6,151

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  • Tori_Scope
    Tori_Scope Posts: 6,151

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    Welcome to the community @LesleyHolmes. I'm sorry to hear that you've been feeling so unwell lately, and that this has been affecting both you and your loved ones.

    You can read about the recognised side effects of the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine in the patient information leaflet.

    Some of the symptoms you've mentioned, such as flu-like symptoms, muscle soreness, and a decreased appetite, are listed as possible side effects in the patient information leaflet. However, as your doctor has said, these symptoms are usually short term and shouldn't last longer than a week. These symptoms can also be caused by other conditions. Some of the other symptoms you've mentioned aren't listed in the information booklet.

    If you're unhappy with what your GP has suggested in terms of treating the symptoms you have, then would it be possible to go back and speak to a different GP? The important thing is that you start to feel more well, and get to the bottom of why you're feeling unwell at the moment.

    I'm glad to hear that you're not anti-vaccination, and I'm sure you wouldn't want to discourage other people from receiving their coronavirus vaccination if it's safe for them to do so. If anyone is unsure about whether it's safe for them to have the coronavirus vaccine, they should speak to their GP, nurse, or pharmacist.

    As per our house rules around 'Keeping it safe':

    Please be careful about sharing information:

    · Always check that information is correct and appropriate.
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  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Posts: 4,623 Disability Gamechanger
    Only time will tell things change all the time different information things added no point arguing over something that is going to  be around for a long time 
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Posts: 4,623 Disability Gamechanger
    @vikingqueen not the actual vacination some countries aren't allowing people who have had the astrazenica vacinations into the their country but you can if you have had the Pfizer  vacination  just wondered why thought someone may know 
  • Ross_Scope
    Ross_Scope Posts: 5,005

    Scope community team

    Hi @lisathomas50

    Hope you're well.

    Is there anything in particular that makes you say that some countries aren't allowing people who have had the AZ vaccine in? I appreciate you're wanting to find out more information yourself, but it's still always best to provide sources where possible of where you have read such statements, we wouldn't want to cause other users unnecessary worry.

    There was a story recently about a certain batch of the AZ vaccine, produced in India, not being approved by the EU, which you can read about in this article and in this article,  which would potentially caused travel disruption for people wanting to attend EU countries who have received a vaccine from that batch.

    I'm not sure if that's what you are referring to, however it's worth noting that these articles were from July so the situation may have changed, and individual EU countries can still set their own guidance, so it's always worth checking through the Gov.uk website where you can view potential risks and restrictions for other countries.
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  • jonquility
    jonquility Member Posts: 5 Listener
    I had an adverse reaction to the one and only Astra Vaccination that I received.  I expected to experience  the flu like symptoms plus aching arm etc., But I did not predict the racing and violent beating of my heart, the swollen glands, dizziness and dehydration that  effectively prevented me from getting any sleep at all  in the night following my injection.  I  thought that I  was about to suffer a heart attack and was too scared to move in case  I exacerbated the problem.  When I got up in the morning  my face was grey and my eyes were sunken. I don't think that I had a temperature but I  occasionally felt "chills"; my blood pressure was low but my heart rate was high but, as  the palpitations had become less severe, I suspect that it had been much higher in the night. I ached everywhere and felt dreadful.
     Dizziness, swollen glands and increased heart rate  are  side effects listed online as  3 of a group of  the  problems attached to anaphylactic shock I believe.
    I do attribute all the  side effects that I experienced to the vaccine as I did not suffer these conditions  before the vaccine and I have not had them since.
    After several days ( abt.,. 10)  I was feeling better but very tired and this has continued    I have been trying to  get advice about a second jab ( not AZ.,)  but  without success so far.
    I have had all childhood vaccinations and flu vaccines ( the latter since 2000 on account of being a carer at the time) and was so pleased when  Covid vaccinations became possible.   I still wish to be vaccinated but I need to be confident that the  vaccination itself will not  cause permanent harm.  .  Meanwhile I am continuing to  avoid social occasions, wear a face mask and continue with all necessary precautions.   By doing so I hope to avoid  the worst consequences of either Covid19 or the vaccination..If I can find an acceptable alternative vaccine I will be at the head of the queue.   
  • Teddybear12
    Teddybear12 Member Posts: 788 Pioneering
    My niece who is a nurse and 32 years old had two AZ vaccines and she was fine.  She is now due to have her first baby in three months.
  • jonquility
    jonquility Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Good to hear of a success story and there are many. But I know of several "healthy" people who   had an unexpected bad reaction to the" jab"  and several less well people who suffered nothing worse than a sore arm.  Seems that there is no consistency to the  response to the   vaccine.
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,357 Disability Gamechanger
    There is one consistency...it's helped slow down covid.
    I am a person with epilepsy not an epileptic, my illness doesn't define me.
  • Tori_Scope
    Tori_Scope Posts: 6,151

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    Hi @jonquility,

    According to the AstraZeneca patient information leaflet, possible side effects include:
    Get urgent medical attention if you get symptoms of a severe allergic reaction. Such reactions may include a combination of any of the following symptoms:
    • feeling faint or light-headed
    • changes in your heartbeat
    • shortness of breath or wheezing
    • swelling of your lips, face, or throat
    • hives or rash
    • nausea or vomiting
    • stomach pain
    Very common (may affect more than 1 in 10 people)
    • tenderness, pain, warmth, itching or bruising where the injection is given
    • generally feeling unwell
    • feeling tired (fatigue)
    • chills or feeling feverish
    • headache
    • feeling sick (nausea)
    • joint pain or muscle ache
    Common (may affect up to 1 in 10 people)
    • swelling, redness or a lump at the injection site
    • fever (≥38°C)
    • being sick (vomiting) or diarrhoea
    • pain in legs or arms
    • flu-like symptoms, such as high temperature, sore throat, runny nose, cough and chills
    Some people have reported a sudden feeling of cold with shivering/shaking accompanied by a rise in temperature, possibly with sweating, headache (including migraine-like headaches), nausea, muscle aches and feeling unwell, starting within a day of having the vaccine and usually lasting for a day or two.

    If your fever is high and lasts longer than two or three days, or you have other persistent symptoms, this might not be due to side effects of the vaccine and you should follow appropriate advice according to your symptoms.

    Uncommon (may affect up to 1 in 100 people)
    • sleepiness or feeling dizzy
    • decreased appetite
    • abdominal pain
    • enlarged lymph nodes
    • excessive sweating, itchy skin, rash or hives
    Very rare (may affect up to 1 in 10,000 people)
    • Following widespread use of the vaccine there have been extremely rare reports of blood clots in combination with low level of blood platelets. When these blood clots do occur, they may be in unusual or atypical locations (e.g. brain, liver, bowel, spleen).
    Not known (cannot be estimated from the available data)
    • severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis)
    • rapid swelling under the skin in areas such as the face, lips, mouth and throat (which may cause difficulty in swallowing or breathing) (angioedema)
    • low blood platelets (thrombocytopenia)
    • hypersensitivity
    • capillary leak syndrome (a condition causing fluid leakage from small blood vessels)
    Of course, many of these are also symptoms of other illnesses and conditions too. 

    I'm glad that you're feeling better, and that you're still keen to get your second dose. 

    My understanding is that you can receive a different vaccine for the second dose only in exceptional circumstances. As this NHS document outlines, one of these exceptional circumstances is: 
    Those who experienced anaphylaxis reactions with the first dose of one brand of vaccine may be offered another vaccine if advised by an allergy specialist. 
    You've mentioned that you've been trying to get advice on accessing a second vaccine, but without success. Who have you tried to contact? I'd recommend that you speak to your GP, nurse, or pharmacist in the first instance to discuss your concerns and the safest way forward.
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  • atlas47
    atlas47 Member Posts: 243 Pioneering
    Hi @jonquility

    Please have a look at this link.


    What did you use to take your BP?

    Which part of your body did you use, to record your body temperature?

    Who have you spoken to about your next vaccination?

    Have you recorded your concerns on the Yellow Card, alert system?

    Please note non of your symptoms have been reported, because of receiving the AZ jab!
  • jonquility
    jonquility Member Posts: 5 Listener
    True -and not to be  ignored/marginalised.   The aim of    attempting to protect millions/billions etc., of people from the worst effects of the virus and its spread is admirable  and  of necessity a broad approach is required.  However, there are always exceptions   in such situations and these need a little more analysis - a" one size fits all" approach      is OK for the 80%  but not the  remaining 20%( figures used are for illustrative purpose only).   Setting targets for vaccination is  good but  not helpful to people who   experienced   very troubling detrimental side effects to the vaccine and for whom  there appears at times, to be  a lack of constructive advice regarding  an alternative course of action.
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,357 Disability Gamechanger
    We lost a family friend last March at the very beginning of the pandemic in the UK, I'm 100% certain he would have taken every chance he could have in order not to die.
    I am a person with epilepsy not an epileptic, my illness doesn't define me.
  • jonquility
    jonquility Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Thanks to Atlas47 and Tori Scope for their  help.    I attempted to report my reactions via the Yellow Card system in February. It didn't work so I  contacted my GP's surgery..    One of the doctors   arranged tests which were OK but this was a good month after the jab. I assumed that my  report of    rapid, irregular and  "violent" heart beats, dizziness and swollen glands would be reported under the Yellow Card system.  At a very early stage I wrote to    others involved in relevant research  hoping that the information that I could provide would be helpful/informative.  I received no reply.     I  was given details of   a group dealing with questions arising from  the vaccination rollout and   an alternative product was suggested. However,   an assessment had previously found that this was too much of a risk for me and the  vaccination did not proceed.     After writing again to my GP ,and having no resolution of my situation, I have   requested information from  the relevant     health service administration  giving the appropriate  history as briefly as possible. No reply yet.
    I am doing my best to  achieve  fully vaccinated status.   I have been  avoiding  social situations and wearing face masks since the end of February 2020.
    I will now try to report the issues I experienced  using the Yellow Card  form you have provided but I  don't think that anyone can   answer my questions  satisfactorily.
  • atlas47
    atlas47 Member Posts: 243 Pioneering
    Hi @jonquility

    Can I trouble you with answering the questions in my previous post.

    So we all can be better placed.

    atlas47 said:
    Hi @jonquility

    Please have a look at this link.


    What did you use to take your BP?

    Which part of your body did you use, to record your body temperature?

    Who have you spoken to about your next vaccination?

    Have you recorded your concerns on the Yellow Card, alert system?

    Please note non of your symptoms have been reported, because of receiving the AZ jab!
    Thank you in advance.
  • jonquility
    jonquility Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Thanks to Atlas 47 and Woodbine. I have  completed the Yellow Card report I am surprised that this had not been done

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