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Is anyone doing Permitted work?

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kikidee
kikidee Community member Posts: 9 Connected
I have not met or heard from anyone actually doing permitted work? Have you?  I have read questions and answers on the rules but would like to hear real evidence of someone actually doing it.  If this is you, please send me your reply. 

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,156 Disability Gamechanger
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    Hi,
    Yes, we've had members here that have done and are doing permitted work while claiming ESA. You just need to be aware that if the work you do contradicts the reasons why you're claiming ESA then the decision could go against you when you're next reassessed.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • kikidee
    kikidee Community member Posts: 9 Connected
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    Thanks Poppy, Yes I'm aware of this. I would like to hear from disabled people that have taken advantage of such a wonderful opportunity of the PW and get feedback from them as to their experiences whether positive or negative.
  • RenabledStu
    RenabledStu Community member Posts: 9 Listener
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    I am one of the Unicorns that is allowed to work for up to 16hrs a week under Permitted Work despite receiving both Contribution Based ESA and highest rates of PIP. It comes with a huge list of caveats though that as Poppy has mentioned, cannot contradict the whole reason for being on benefits.

    I'm physically disabled, incontinent, have mobility issues, ADHD, Autism, OCD, PTSD, Depression, General Anxiety, Social Anxiety and Agoraphobia are all issues I deal with constantly. Carers come to support me several times a day to shower and dress me, get me to take my pills and put food and drink in front of me. 

    The Ltd Company is owned by my partner, who is also my primary carer (this part is important as it goes on the application), is in a converted building on our property and I only do work that I'm able to do while assisted. Since I rarely leave the property and I'm supported by carers none of the work contradicts my ESA application. The accountant does the payroll so I have proper payslips from my legit and legal zero hour contract, to give to the DWP.

    After everything we've done to get me back to work and feeling useful after over a decade of rotting and feeling worthless, it looks like I'll lose it when I'm eventually migrated to Universal Credit as it doesn't have "Permitted Work". If anyone has advice on what I can do after being migrated, it'd be very helpful.
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Community member Posts: 21,964 Disability Gamechanger
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    You can work on uc and if you are in support group ir have children on your claim you will get a work allowance 

    Also there is no restriction on number of hours you can work on uc 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,010 Disability Gamechanger
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    RenabledStu said:.. it looks like I'll lose it when I'm eventually migrated to Universal Credit as it doesn't have "Permitted Work". If anyone has advice on what I can do after being migrated, it'd be very helpful.
    That is a misunderstanding.

    Firstly, when you are moved to UC you will continue to receive contribution based ESA for which the Permitted Work rules will remain relevant. Indeed, if you are not getting any income based benefits you will not be migrated to UC.

    Secondly, you are correct that UC does not have Permitted Work rules but that means a claimant can continue to receive the LCWRA element of UC regardless of how much work they do which means they can do more work if they on UC than is allowed on ESA (as long as it doesn't contradict the reasons they have LCWRA). The earnings will not be ignored (as they are in ESA) but will be treated in the same way as any other earnings for UC but this is offset by the fact that UC LCWRA is worth more than income based ESA Support Group.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,156 Disability Gamechanger
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    calcotti said:
    RenabledStu said:.. it looks like I'll lose it when I'm eventually migrated to Universal Credit as it doesn't have "Permitted Work". If anyone has advice on what I can do after being migrated, it'd be very helpful.
    The earnings will not be ignored (as they are in ESA) but will be treated in the same way as any other earnings for UC but this is offset by the fact that UC LCWRA is worth more than income based ESA Support Group.

    Part of the earnings will be ignored though because of the work allowance, which as we know is £337 if you claim for help with the rent or £557 per month if you don't. Details here for others to see https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-work-allowances/universal-credit-work-allowances

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • RenabledStu
    RenabledStu Community member Posts: 9 Listener
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    Oh that's such a relief to read I won't be migrated to UC due to being on CB based ESA. Thank you.

    I started a new thread on this so as not to hijack this thread.

    Cheers.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,010 Disability Gamechanger
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    poppy123456 said: Part of the earnings will be ignored though because of the work allowance,..
    Thanks poppy, I should have made that clear.
    (Technically on ESA they are ignored whereas on UC they are taken into account but with a discount for the WA.)
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • kikidee
    kikidee Community member Posts: 9 Connected
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    Not cool! I am in desperate need of help with this question maybe more than I explained and do not feel appreciated by being hyjacked which should have been picked up by the moderator ( Poppy ?) and started on a new thread. I'm sure no one else will pick up my original question now. Not happy 😔
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Community member Posts: 21,964 Disability Gamechanger
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    kikidee said:
    Not cool! I am in desperate need of help with this question maybe more than I explained and do not feel appreciated by being hyjacked which should have been picked up by the moderator ( Poppy ?) and started on a new thread. I'm sure no one else will pick up my original question now. Not happy 😔
    Hi sorry you feel like this you did get a reply from re-enabled stu regarding their experiences of permitted work 

    Maybe if you do a search on here you will find other examples to help you 

    I'm not sure why you are in desperate need for this answering as it wasn't really a question more asking for others to share their experiences 

    If you are not happy with the way the thread has progress you can raise the issue with admin either by flagging and reporting the post 9r by email to community@scope.org.uk 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,156 Disability Gamechanger
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    kikidee said:
    Not cool! I am in desperate need of help with this question maybe more than I explained and do not feel appreciated by being hyjacked which should have been picked up by the moderator ( Poppy ?) and started on a new thread. I'm sure no one else will pick up my original question now. Not happy 😔

    I'm not one of the moderators. I'm a member of the forum just yourself.
    With regards to your question, there's nothing to advice you with because you can't compare yourself to someone else. We all claim ESA for various reasons so someone else's experience may not help you.
    Whether the work you do will go against you will totally depend on the reasons why you're claiming ESA.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Alex_Alumni
    Alex_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,562 Disability Gamechanger
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    Hello @kikidee to help our members find your post I've marked it as unanswered, which should hopefully encourage those with experience of permitted work, like @RenabledStu, to share those experiences with you :) I'm sure they didn't intend to 'hijack' the thread, and began by describing their experience of permitted work to you in reply, they just happened to have their specific question answered by other members.

    If there's anything else we can help with, don't hesitate to ask.

    Alex
    Online Community Coordinator
    Scope

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