should we ask fror a reconsideration ?

pillar48

my wife has just been awarded the enhanced rate of daily living of pip and she just fell short of the enhanced rate of mobility.i feel she should have been awarded the enhanced rate as she falls into the pip descriptors that awards 12 points.We don't want to push forward with a mandatory reconsideration if it can perhaps backfire on us ..advice would be welcome ?..

calcotti

Am going to repeat the advice I gave you in your other thread
https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/88941/advice-on-pip-award-and-other-enitled-benifits#latest

Whether or not you should challenge the PIP decision entirely depends on whether or not you are confident that your wife should qualify for an enhanced Mobility award. Make sure you fully understand the relevant PIP descriptors before making any decision.
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system

Will add that if you request an MR a different Decision Maker will look at your file and remake the decision. They will look at the whole award again. It is possible to get a lesser award than the one already given but that would be unusual.

poppy123456

Which descriptor did she score points for the mobility part? and why do you think she should have scored 12 points?

pillar48

poppy123456 said:

Which descriptor did she score points for the mobility part? and why do you think she should have scored 12 points?

1. Cannot undertake any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 10 points. (..she got this one )

1. Cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid. 12 points ( i belive she falls into this also )

pillar48

calcotti said:

Am going to repeat the advice I gave you in your other thread
https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/88941/advice-on-pip-award-and-other-enitled-benifits#latest

Whether or not you should challenge the PIP decision entirely depends on whether or not you are confident that your wife should qualify for an enhanced Mobility award. Make sure you fully understand the relevant PIP descriptors before making any decision.
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system

Will add that if you request an MR a different Decision Maker will look at your file and remake the decision. They will look at the whole award again. It is possible to get a lesser award than the one already given but that would be unusual.

thank you..so appreciate all the help and advice.

poppy123456

Thanks. How often is she able to go out?

If she cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days due to overwhelming psychological distress, then 1E will be the applicable descriptor, even if there are occasions when they could follow a familiar route, if accompanied.

calcotti

People often get confused about these two descriptors which is why I have emphasised the need to fully understand them. Hopefully poppy’s comments have helped.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activities

A claimant who satisfies 1E cannot also satisfy 1F. If they cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days due to overwhelming psychological distress, then 1E will be the applicable descriptor, even if there are occasions when they could follow a familiar route, if accompanied.

poppy123456

calcotti said:

People often get confused about these two descriptors which is why I have emphasised the need to fully understand them. Hopefully poppy’s comments have helped.

Yes indeed. There was a thread just a few days ago and the member said they thought they should have been awarded Enhanced. When i asked them questions, it became clear that 10 points scored was the correct descriptor.

pillar48

poppy123456 said:

Thanks. How often is she able to go out?

If she cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days due to overwhelming psychological distress, then 1E will be the applicable descriptor, even if there are occasions when they could follow a familiar route, if accompanied.

she would not be able to take any familiar journeys at any time without me .

calcotti

pillar48 said:

poppy123456 said:

Thanks. How often is she able to go out?

If she cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days due to overwhelming psychological distress, then 1E will be the applicable descriptor, even if there are occasions when they could follow a familiar route, if accompanied.

she would not be able to take any familiar journeys at any time without me .

I think you are missing the point. If accompanied by you can she go out on the majority of days? How many days a week can she go out? What prevents her going out on the days she cannot?

poppy123456

Yes but you haven't answered the most important question.

poppy123456 said:

 How often is she able to go out?

Even if she can't follow the route of a familiar journey without you, it makes no difference if she's unable to go out the majority of the time.

pillar48

calcotti said:

pillar48 said:

poppy123456 said:

Thanks. How often is she able to go out?

If she cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days due to overwhelming psychological distress, then 1E will be the applicable descriptor, even if there are occasions when they could follow a familiar route, if accompanied.

she would not be able to take any familiar journeys at any time without me .

I think you are missing the point. If accompanied by you can she go out on the majority of days? How many days a week can she go out? What prevents her going out on the days she cannot?

with or without me..familiar or unfamiliar..the majority of the days of the week she would not be able to leave the house due to severe anxiety, panic attacks, etc..

poppy123456

pillar48 said:

calcotti said:

pillar48 said:

poppy123456 said:

Thanks. How often is she able to go out?

If she cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days due to overwhelming psychological distress, then 1E will be the applicable descriptor, even if there are occasions when they could follow a familiar route, if accompanied.

she would not be able to take any familiar journeys at any time without me .

I think you are missing the point. If accompanied by you can she go out on the majority of days? How many days a week can she go out? What prevents her going out on the days she cannot?

with or without me..familiar or unfamiliar..the majority of the days of the week she would not be able to leave the house due to severe anxiety, panic attacks, etc..

Then 1E is the correct descriptor here and she will not be able to score points for 1F. A claimant who satisfies 1E cannot also satisfy 1F.

calcotti

poppy123456 said:..

Then 1E is the correct descriptor here and she will not be able to score points for 1F. A claimant who satisfies 1E cannot also satisfy 1F.

Agreed.

pillar48 said:

with or without me..familiar or unfamiliar..the majority of the days of the week she would not be able to leave the house due to severe anxiety, panic attacks, etc..

Which is precisely what descriptors 1E covers.

pillar48

poppy123456 said:

pillar48 said:

calcotti said:

pillar48 said:

poppy123456 said:

Thanks. How often is she able to go out?

If she cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days due to overwhelming psychological distress, then 1E will be the applicable descriptor, even if there are occasions when they could follow a familiar route, if accompanied.

she would not be able to take any familiar journeys at any time without me .

I think you are missing the point. If accompanied by you can she go out on the majority of days? How many days a week can she go out? What prevents her going out on the days she cannot?

with or without me..familiar or unfamiliar..the majority of the days of the week she would not be able to leave the house due to severe anxiety, panic attacks, etc..

Then 1E is the correct descriptor here and she will not be able to score points for 1F. A claimant who satisfies 1E cannot also satisfy 1F.

ok..thanks.

calcotti

As an aside, award of this descriptor should automatically entitle her to a Blue Badge should she wish to apply for one.

poppy123456

Blue badge details here. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/blue-badge-can-i-get-one/can-i-get-a-blue-badge

Apply through your local Authority here. https://www.gov.uk/apply-blue-badge

pillar48

calcotti said:

As an aside, award of this descriptor should automatically entitle her to a Blue Badge should she wish to apply for one.

oh thank you for that