LCWRA as a measure of pip success

tru88le

If you are awarded LCWRA without an assessment would this be a good sign that its worth reporting a change in your health to PIP to hopefully increase a mobility award, due to the extra medical information given for LCWRA was not available at the the time of the pip claim?
Basically there is now further medical data from results of tests and now being under a consultant which was not the case with the original pip claim?

poppy123456

No because they are completey different benefits, with different criteria.

tru88le said:

Basically there is now further medical data from results of tests and now being under a consultant which was not the case with the original pip claim?

This will not automatically score you more points for a higher award. You need to get expert advice before doing anything else. Start here https://advicelocal.uk/

tru88le

I thought that was what this place was for...

poppy123456

If you mean you thought this place was for advice. Yes it is but only to a certain extent. We have no idea exactly how your conditions affect you against the 12 PIP activities.

If we said to you "yes, you should report changes because of those reasons." It maybe what you wanted to hear but it wouldn't be the correct advice to give you.

You asked a question regarding LCWRA and PIP, which i answered. You should never report changes without first getting some expert advice.

Ross_Alumni

Hi @tru88le

Thanks for posting your question, I hope you are well.

Just to clarify, the community isn't intended as a place to receive expert professional advice. Of course we do have many users who, due to lived or professional experience, have a lot of knowledge of the benefit system and kindly use that to support others, but if you are seeking expert professional advice we would usually advise CAB, your nearest Welfare Rights or Advice Local.

tru88le

I dont see the point in directing me to another site that is only offering the same advice.
I suppise in reality it only proves that these sites are not really helpful and are simply adding to peoples problems by purporting to be able to help.
Ive lost count of the advice ive been given  at scope that you allow people to give without recourse while now your saying its just opinion.
Its certainly not dished out in such a way people come here and go away thinking they  have been given  proper advice.
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poppy123456

I have never ever said i'm a welfare rights adviser so i've no idea where you got that from. (Removed by moderator)

tru88le

I didnt say you did say that I said you were a community champion... what was   it you said about people saying you dont read posts?

I also dont see how your misreading that I said can be considered an 'attack'.
Attack seems rather exaggerated.

poppy123456

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chiarieds

Whilst Ross is absolutely correct in saying this online community cannot be said to give expert advice, as you know, & as Ross has said, we do however have some members who offer their benefits advice.(Removed by moderator)
May I ask where Ross said members are just giving an 'opinion'? You would be fortunate in finding somewhere online where you could get benefits advice such as here. Your choice is however yours. Listen to Poppy; she volunteers with her wealth of benefits knowledge (no longer a Community Champion, a role Scope discontinued quite some time ago & which was not a job role, rather a volunteer position), but she still gives her benefits advice.

Ross_Alumni

Note from moderator: Comments on this discussion have been edited by a moderator in line with the community's Keep It Friendly approach, and for not being relevant to this particular discussion. We're sure that nobody meant anything by their remarks, but this is a challenging time for everyone, so we want to keep the community as relaxed and friendly as possible. It's good to be mindful of the language we use and how that might make someone feel, especially during a difficult time.

Apologies for any confusion or if I wasn't clear enough @tru88le, you're correct that users do give advice on the community, I don't dispute that at all. However, the clarification I was aiming to make was that the primary purpose of the community isn't to receive professional or expert advice.
It isn't advertised as a place for that, but of course users are more than welcome to make suggestions and observations on other threads aside from providing peer support.
We have a lot of members with vast amounts of lived and professional experience in various areas such as benefits or employment, and it is always lovely to see that those members are willing to share their personal experience and the knowledge gained through that to support others.

Secondly regarding Community Champions, we no longer have those on the community. It was a volunteer role that we had up until early 2021, and those in the role never had any responsibility to advise. 

This thread will be re-opened and it would be great if we could remain on topic and considerate of other members otherwise it may have to be closed  permanently.  The community is intended to be a safe and supportive place, please ensure that messages respect others’ views and suggestions, even if you do not agree with them. It is always worth being mindful with what you say. Not everyone shares the same sense of humour and words read in a written form can easily be taken out of context. 

On the initial question, some people do have success sending their WCA report alongside, but you need to double check whether or not you would actually meet the criteria. Unfortunately a new diagnosis or results from medical tests aren't necessarily classed as evidence enough. I would point you back to the PIP descriptors to look at which you think you score for mobility.

flour

I think its more about how you engage and apply the information from the WCA to PIP but the WCA cannot come first.

For example. in Activity 5 Manual dexterity. The WCA found that

5(d) Cannot single-handedly use a suitable keyboard or mouse.

You could use this later on in PIP.

Such as if you were answering Daily Living Activities 1. Preparing food

You would need to write about how you are affected by your disability/health condition. 

After writing about how you were affected you might then go on to apply this to the Citizens Advice test of

'Peeling and Chopping 2 potatoes, Opening a tin of sweetcorn'

It would be reasonable to assume someone who could not use a mouse or keyboard might not be able to also peel a potato or open a tin of sweetcorn. 

But you'd need to explain how and why.

Its not enough to say ' I cannot use a keyboard therefore I cannot prepare and cook a simple meal'. You should talk about how you're affected in peeling a potato and opening a tin and then at the end, say that they are aware of the difficulties you have with this because they found you to have difficulties in the WCA.

You might talk about - gripping a mouse and compare it with gripping a potato, you might talk about applying pressure on a keyboard and compare it with pressure with a peeler.

It's more about using the WCA as further evidence.

tru88le

The fact remains many people join the community ask important questions and go away believing they have an authorative answer.
Further, in the many instances where I have had discussions closed, it has been because I have queried an answer and the person answering, usually one of two people, have taken offense at my daring to question their reply or explaining how stupid I am to believe otherwise. 
If that isnt giving answers with some authority to pip questions and being certain of their validity I dont know what is...

tru88le

I'll just add that on asking someone about scope discussions they described it as "professionals helping people"..

tru88le

chiarieds said:

Whilst Ross is absolutely correct in saying this online community cannot be said to give expert advice, as you know, & as Ross has said, we do however have some members who offer their benefits advice.(Removed by moderator)
May I ask where Ross said members are just giving an 'opinion'? You would be fortunate in finding somewhere online where you could get benefits advice such as here. Your choice is however yours. Listen to Poppy; she volunteers with her wealth of benefits knowledge (no longer a Community Champion, a role Scope discontinued quite some time ago & which was not a job role, rather a volunteer position), but she still gives her benefits advice.

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poppy123456

I've had more than my fair share of abuse from you since you've been a member here and i won't take anymore. All this because i advised you to get expert advice. I've never seen anything more ridiculous! Please stop mentioning my name!

Tori_Scope

This thread has now been closed, as it doesn't seem as though any further discussion will be constructive. 

As Ross explained, many members' knowledge and advice comes from their own experience, both through claiming benefits themselves, as well as from reading about the subject and speaking to other members in similar situations. I'm sure no one who isn't an expert adviser would want others to think that they were giving expert advice, and we do frequently see members signposting other people to sources of expert advice, such as advicelocal.uk. 

Further, in the many instances where I have had discussions closed, it has been because I have queried an answer and the person answering, usually one of two people, have taken offense at my daring to question their reply or explaining how stupid I am to believe otherwise. 

We do of course allow members to query what other members have said @tru88le, but this should be done in a respectful and civil way. Debate and discussion is fine, but threads do sometimes need to be closed when polite and constructive conversation isn't being had, and the rules not respected.

I'll just add that on asking someone about scope discussions they described it as "professionals helping people"..

Though we do have a number of people on the community who may have expertise in a range of areas, the community is generally a space for discussion between people who might have a similar experience, rather than expert or professional advice. I hope that makes sense!