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THE CRITERIA FOR PIP!

ChiChi

https://www.gov.uk/pip

What PIP is for

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) can help with extra living costs if you have both:

a long-term physical or mental health condition or disability
difficulty doing certain everyday tasks or getting around because of your condition

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poppy123456

Yes indeed but it's not awarded based on any diagnosis. Entitlement is based on meeting the descriptors to score enough of points for an award. You can see the descriptors here. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Global/Migrated_Documents/adviceguide/pip-9-table-of-activities-descriptors-and-points.pdf

Some people can have a health condition but not be entitled to PIP because if you don't meet the descriptors, you won't score the points needed for an award.

More details on the full criteria is here. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria

ChiChi

poppy123456 said:

Yes indeed but it's not awarded based on any diagnosis. Entitlement is based on meeting the descriptors to score enough of points for an award. You can see the descriptors here. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Global/Migrated_Documents/adviceguide/pip-9-table-of-activities-descriptors-and-points.pdf
Some people can have a health condition but not be entitled to PIP because if you don't meet the descriptors, you won't score the points needed for an award.
More details on the full criteria is here. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria

I posted it for those who keep making references and assumptions and for those who don't know what the criteria is. Thank you

poppy123456

That's not the full criteria though.

ChiChi

poppy123456 said:

That's not the full criteria though.

It's from the government website and it states what PIP is for which is easily understood by many, that's why I posted it. I didn't mean criteria, I wrote that wrong. If anyone wants in depth criteria and to know what the descriptors are, this site has them.

poppy123456

ChiChi said:

poppy123456 said:

That's not the full criteria though.

If anyone wants in depth criteria and to know what the descriptors are, this site has them.

If you mean Scope has them then i wouldn't exactly call that in depth. Sorry, just my opinion.

calcotti

Assessment details are here

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria

Only 39% of new claims (excluding Special Rules claims) result in an award.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/personal-independence-payment-statistics-april-2013-to-july-2022/personal-independence-payment-official-statistics-to-july-2022

ChiChi

poppy123456 said:

ChiChi said:

poppy123456 said:

That's not the full criteria though.

If anyone wants in depth criteria and to know what the descriptors are, this site has them.

If you mean Scope has them then i wouldn't exactly call that in depth. Sorry, just my opinion.

The links which are posted on scope have in depth information.

ChiChi

Deppi said:

@ChiChi There is a difference between Eligibility and Entitlement. The later is decided from rather complex guidance that is not anywhere in the link you provided, so stating only the former is half the story. PIP is not based on diagnosis, hence anyone can rightfully say they are eligible.

But, the assessment that follows is designed to set the criteria, who is awarded and who is not. The general advice is, that anyone who wants/needs to apply, must read and understand quite a lot before submitting their case, through either support from available services (eg Citizens Advice) or GPs, or reading forums. Those who don't take that approach, most times, get it wrong why they didnt get the award.

So when you say you provided the criteria, in fact you didnt. you just offered the eligibility. The eligibility and criteria becomes more clear when you read the guidance, which poppy123456 posted. But this is still not enough, your personal circumstances come in play, your form, you evidence, etc etc

If it was a logical sequence of decisions, we would have it automated. But there are those who would have taken advantage of it, so we retain the human factor.

In a nutshell, your post is very abstract, but a good start nevertheless, hopefully we all made it more clear for those who read it.

Thank you, the way you explained it all I really appreciate it.

chiarieds

Thank you @ChiChi - the link you provided is where most people considering applying for PIP would first look, but it doesn't go far enough to explain things properly.

I would also suggest that the words 'entitled' & 'eligible' are sometimes used wrongly. IMHO many would be 'entitled' to apply for PIP, depending on residency rules, & whether you've had difficulties for at least 3 months, & expect them to last for at least a further 9 months. This does not necessarily confer 'entitlement' to an award. 'Entitlement' means something that you have a right to do.

'Eligibility' is another matter, & means, 'the fact of being allowed to do or receive something because you satisfy certain conditions.' So, I would suggest that a person applying for PIP needs to satisfy the 'eligibility' rules.

As, sort of mentioned, 'the devil is in the detail,' so understanding the criteria is essential. Imagine 20 people with 'arthritis;' they'll all be affected differently, so it's very important to give a detailed description of exactly how it affects you. An understanding of the PIP activities/descriptors is very, very helpful, & a place to begin.

I agree with @poppy123456 that Scope haven't got things as well as they could regarding their PIP info, however the actual breadth of knowledge she & others share make them an asset to this online community.

ChiChi

chiarieds said:

Thank you @ChiChi - the link you provided is where most people considering applying for PIP would first look, but it doesn't go far enough to explain things properly.
I would also suggest that the words 'entitled' & 'eligible' are sometimes used wrongly. IMHO many would be 'entitled' to apply for PIP, depending on residency rules, & whether you've had difficulties for at least 3 months, & expect them to last for at least a further 9 months. This does not necessarily confer 'entitlement' to an award. 'Entitlement' means something that you have a right to do.
'Eligibility' is another matter, & means, 'the fact of being allowed to do or receive something because you satisfy certain conditions.' So, I would suggest that a person applying for PIP needs to satisfy the 'eligibility' rules.
As, sort of mentioned, 'the devil is in the detail,' so understanding the criteria is essential. Imagine 20 people with 'arthritis;' they'll all be affected differently, so it's very important to give a detailed description of exactly how it affects you. An understanding of the PIP activities/descriptors is very, very helpful, & a place to begin.
I agree with @poppy123456 that Scope haven't got things as well as they could regarding their PIP info, however the actual breadth of knowledge she & others share make them an asset to this online community.

Yes I totally agree, the members on here who respond to posts and give there free time, I really thank. I haven't been a member for long, but I have been reading posts on here for years. I have learnt so much in such short time. Thank you to all 😊

poppy123456

Deppi said:

@chiarieds True (as per dictionary), the gov page confused me to use entitled the way i did, Gov https://www.gov.uk/benefits-calculators says :

Yes, you could for other benefits. It would be of no use for a PIP claim.

chiarieds

Thanks @Deppi - the words 'entitled' & 'eligible' are often used used erroneously, as in this case. Many feel they are 'entitled' to a benefit, but you need to meet the 'eligibility' criteria, or not, regarding PIP.

Sorry, but semantics matter to me, & I've learnt so much from current & past member's posts on this forum about benefits. PIP isn't perfect by any means, but at least we have some members that understand its implications, & are willing to give their insight in order to help.