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wilf1234
wilf1234 Community member Posts: 11 Listener
Hi

First time on the forum. well, I had my telephone assessment last week, not what i expected, constantly interrupted by assessors, and started one and a half hours after the time given, so was stressed to bits. Anyway, the day after the assessor submitted his report with DWP, I rang the same day and received the report the next day, which was a real shocker.

overall the report completely disregarded everything that I explained to the assessor, he even said I was having a bad day when I emphatically said I was having a good day.

The assessor said that I could get out of the bath as I can get in and out of a car. this is completely untrue as I have to be lifted out of the bath, every time. I can get out of our car as it is an SUV and I swing my legs out.

He said I can use an aid to wash. I made it as clear as ice that I cannot reach my back armpits or feet even with an aid, at any time. he marked me, uses aid 

The assessor said I could walk more than 50m but no more than 200m. I made it clear that i could not walk more than 20m and that is on a good day, due to severe stenosis.
4 points

overall as stands would get standard living 4 points of mobility

I contacted the DWP and explained how I felt and they advised me to submit what I disagreed with to the decision maker and that they would not submit it until this was received. has anyone any advice, as of course I would be taking this as far as I could 

however, I feel it is best to clear up any misunderstanding asap

 

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,256 Championing
    edited November 2022
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    You can send more information and/or evidence at anytime. However there’s no guarantee that they will wait to receive that before making a decision. A decision can be made anytime between 2-12 weeks once the report was returned. 
    Edit to add
    You mention needing assistance to get in and out of the bath and assistance to wash but you can only score points once for an activity. If an aid can reasonably be used then you will score points for this. 
    I’d advise you to have a read of this link to give yourself a little more understanding of the PIP descriptors. 
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • wilf1234
    wilf1234 Community member Posts: 11 Listener
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    hi

    thanks for the response, I said to him that I try to use an aid but I cannot wash properly with the aid and therefore subsequently have to have help to clean myself properly. but I have tried an aid. my understanding is that you have to be able to complete a  task to an acceptable standard if i use the aid I cannot. reading your link any other input gratefully recieved
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,256 Championing
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    May i ask which descriptor you think applies to you for washing and bathing? And how many points in total for daily living are recommended?
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • wilf1234
    wilf1234 Community member Posts: 11 Listener
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    was looking at either e or f
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,256 Championing
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    You mention you need help to washing your armits, back and feet. What about you hair?

    Descriptor F (4 points): Needs assistance to be able to wash their body between the shoulders and waist

    For the purposes of this descriptor, the ability to wash ones upper spinal region is not a consideration.

    You didn't answer this question.

     And how many points in total for daily living are recommended?



    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
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  • wilf1234
    wilf1234 Community member Posts: 11 Listener
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    Morning poppy

    8 points have been recommended for the living component 2 points per section
    excuse my ignorance as this is the first time I have gone through this process. my understanding is that if I cannot wash my arm-pits due to my bi-lateral shoulder issues then I would be eligible for f4
  • L_Volunteer
    L_Volunteer Community Volunteer Adviser, Scope Member Posts: 7,981 Championing
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    How are you feeling about the recommendations at the moment @wilf1234? We are here for you if you would like to share more with us.

    You are not ignorant, it is just a complex process and I can hear it is the first time you have gone through this process. We are here to support you, not judge you.

    Take care for now and we will look forward to hopefully hearing from you again soon  :)
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  • wilf1234
    wilf1234 Community member Posts: 11 Listener
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    hi

    Thanks for the support, yes it is a process. I am going to be submitting my concerns from the assessment on Monday as I am conscious of the timescale. I have read the link that poppy sent so have changed a few details from what I originally wrote. I wish it was not such a pain, would love to post my response on forum for views but everyone's circumstances would be different
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,256 Championing
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    wilf1234 said:
    Morning poppy

    8 points have been recommended for the living component 2 points per section
    excuse my ignorance as this is the first time I have gone through this process. my understanding is that if I cannot wash my arm-pits due to my bi-lateral shoulder issues then I would be eligible for f4

    Needing an aid is 2 points. If you scored 4 points for descriptor F then this is 4 points, so it would be an extra 2 points. Which would then mean 10 points in total. This isn't enough to get you Enhanced daily living because you need to score at least 12 points.
    There's 10 daily living activities in total. If it's not possible to score more points in any of the others then there's no point challenging the decision for the daily living part.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • wilf1234
    wilf1234 Community member Posts: 11 Listener
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    HI Poppy thanks for getting back I am also challenging the Toilet and dressing parts of the assessment 
     from 2 - 4 points 
  • L_Volunteer
    L_Volunteer Community Volunteer Adviser, Scope Member Posts: 7,981 Championing
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    You are welcome @wilf1234. It is the very least you deserve.

    How are you feeling about challenging the toilet and dressing parts of the assessment too? We are here for you and listening to you if you would like to share with us.

    Please don't hesitate to let us know if we can do anything to support you through this difficult time. You don't have to face this, or anything else, alone if you don't want to  :)
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  • wilf1234
    wilf1234 Community member Posts: 11 Listener
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    You are welcome @wilf1234. It is the very least you deserve.

    How are you feeling about challenging the toilet and dressing parts of the assessment too? We are here for you and listening to you if you would like to share with us.

    Please don't hesitate to let us know if we can do anything to support you through this difficult time. You don't have to face this, or anything else, alone if you don't want to  :)
    well received my pip award today. Was awarded the lower rate for daily living 8 points total of 4 points for mobility. Submitting the letter i was advised to by the call handler was a complete and utter waste of time.So now I prepare for a mandatory reconsideration. the decision maker appears not to have taken anything that I have said into consideration. there are a number of daily tasks that i physically cannot do 

    any pointers would be appreciated


    Allan
  • L_Volunteer
    L_Volunteer Community Volunteer Adviser, Scope Member Posts: 7,981 Championing
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    Just responded to your duplicate post @wilf1234. I will add that I am wishing you the best of luck with this though  :)
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    Please note: if I use the online community outside of its hours of administration, I am doing so in a personal capacity only.
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