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same here i'd be retired now too , i am 61 in September and i find myself in turmoil working out pip award lengths to take me to state pension. i don't want wish my life away i want to enjoy it best i can, but those running the country like keeping us on high alert anxiety and fear . I actually suspect there is no real welfare pot, the whole world is printing money and all countries are bankrupt .
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the justice journals host believes these reforms will be found unlawful by the supreme court , i watched her today .
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I also watched her today but I don’t understand what she means. She said originally the 4 point rule was for lcwra/ health only but now they’ve included it for pip. I thought the 4 points was always intended to be for pip as you had to get pip to claim over/ health element. I’m confused by this .
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I too am confused , but i had a glimmer of hope when she mentioned the supreme court hopefully finding the changes unlawful .
I think there are challenges being prepared behind the scenes, and they are not letting enemy know until ready to pounce.
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@MW123, your post felt like a melody to my heart and soul. Thank you so much for sharing it!
On that note-there were also some absolutely jaw-dropping and thought-provoking questions raised within our multi-page Scope Green Paper thread, and I’d honestly love to hear how Starmer would’ve responded to some of the points raised by our community members. Truthfully, I don’t think Starmer (or) Liz (or) Reeves can respond meaningfully-these proposals built on paper thin evidences were never built to withstand real scrutiny. It reads more like a business proposal with cost-cutting intentions. They weren’t expecting disabled people to push back with such clarity, strength, and truth. All they expected was silence.
It’s becoming more evident that their cost-cutting intentions, masked as “reform,” are completely at odds with the laws and principles designed to safeguard disabled and vulnerable people. If Labour continues down this path, it could very well be their undoing.
If the government had genuinely focused on reforming with us-by improving assessments for PIP and WCA, rather than abolishing the WCA altogether and introducing the harsh 4 daily living points PIP criteria tied to the UC health element-our communities might have supported meaningful change. We all know the system desperately needs fixing. But not like this. Not by cutting what is already the bare minimum-benefits we’ve had to fight for, often through years of stress, appeals, and tribunals.
There is still time. Every one of our voices matters. Let’s keep urging people to oppose by responding directly to the Green Paper consultation before it closes in June. Our collective opposition can and will make a difference.
We’ve been underestimated before but this is our chance to be heard, and we are not, and should not, be backing down.
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we may be disabled , but that doesn't make us silent , we have a voice and we're using it and they know it .
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hi Sarah ,
If you look up Starmer taking Blair to court regarding benefits for asylum seekers Starmer won due to it being unlawful to leave someone without shelter and food . Well this must cover us too as without benefits we won’t be able to eat and pay bills etc . I’m not sure justice journals is correct about the 4 points rule though as it’s the first time I’ve heard it regarding just lcwra without pip
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yes, but I think its made to confuse , everything seems to not make sense, I mean where are these jobs coming from for us ? there are no jobs .
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people on the video comments said the same but she’s adamant that it was lcwra/ health element but now they’ve said it’ll cover pip too . That doesn’t make sense as I thought without pip you can’t claim lcwra / health element in future
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why not try to get healthy job seekers on basic uc jobs first ? This is clearly cost cutting but they think they’ve been cleverer than the Tory’s by holding a consultation ( well part consultation) and admitting they want to save taxpayers money whereas the Tory’s lied about it . It’s still discrimination though .
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I've read that and you are right , he will have this thrown back at himself, he seems to be making such a fool of himself, i suspect he is being controlled , but who is the puppet master , all of his MP's are just reading from a script from what I can see , they stammer and um ah and cannot answer . 🤔
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Omg did you see reeves when they questioned her ? I felt embarrassed for her as she stammered throughout her answers. It shows how he has no morals as he fought for others human rights but now is against the same rights as he’s in a different job. I don’t think he cares as he has other plans for his career after his term is up . He’s literally alienated all his voters so he must know he’ll never get voted in again. I really hope the Labour Party oust him to save the party as they must surely know they will be voted out .
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It’s clearly stated in points 140–142 on page 90 of the large-print version of the ‘Pathways to Work’ Green Paper proposal (see attached screenshot) that the proposed 4-point daily living eligibility is aligned to PIP. So it seems they may have overlooked this information and got confused.
Best Wishes!
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Did you see reeves answering her questions? She was dreadful. Umming and ahhhhing , didn’t know what to say .
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Because she's being controlled , reading from a script, being made a fool like starmer is too.
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exactly that 100%. I watched Starmer being interviewed by journalists on YouTube and you could clearly see him trying to remember the answer.
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thank you . I thought this but the person is apparently ex dwp so not sure how she got her information wrong
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Reform the recent changes to disability benefits by Lynda Denman
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It definitely seems like there’s been a serious mix-up in the discussion you watched.
According to the Green Paper proposals, the Work Capability Assessment (WCA) would be abolished-meaning there would no longer be LCW or LCWRA under the proposed changes.So yes, it does seem like the video may have spread some misinformation, which only adds to the confusion and distress already being felt by so many disabled and vulnerable people.
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