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  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering
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    Disabled Labour Members’ Rep Slams Starmer at Secret Meeting of Labour Supremos

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering
  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    Hi @Catherine21

    I apologise if I didn't explain myself too well. although you didn't understand what was being said in the article either.

    I'll do my best to explain it to you. When an MP has a constituency, that means that they have an area of the country that they represent in parliament.

    Before there is a Local or General Election, candidates from different political parties gather and promote what their political party will do for the local people of that particular constituency.

    Say, for example that Labour, the Conservatives, the Liberal Democrats, Reform and the Green Parties all wanted to represent (or stand at) that constitutancy.

    If Labour won the say, for instance the General Election last year in that constituency, it means that the local people voted for them in greater numbers than any other party.

    A majority means that the number of votes Labour got say, for instance 10 thousand votes and the party who had got the second highest number of votes was the Conservatives with 6 thousand votes.

    That meant that Labour had got 4 thousand more votes than the Conservatives. That is called a majority.

    If they were in a constitutancy with say, for example 8 thousand disabled people who claimed PIP, it would mean that if more than 4 thousand of those people voted against Labour, at the upcoming Local Elections on the first of May, Labour would be referred to as losing their majority of 4 thousand votes which they would do directly as a result of disabled people wanting to vote them out because of the cuts in eligibility to PIP.

    I hope that you can now understand what I was saying in my post and the article. If there is still something you are not sure about, do message me back! 👍😊

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Online Community Member Posts: 442 Empowering

    I am glad you explained this , because it makes it so clear . I really am not good at understanding politics .

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,439 Championing

    Hi @onebigvoice - you have always invited comments, which I appreciate, tho I'm sure we will keep on disagreeing over some things! 😊

    Members will also disagree with some of what I say too (even if I also think I'm right, but I'm still a work in progress hoping to learn more)! As you say, that's what this forum is about, so long as such discussions are respectfully done.

    I know you comment because you are an advocate for your friends & other disabled people, which I completely respect.

    Dare I ask if you could say briefly what the court case is about, I'd be grateful, & yes, if I can usefully comment, then of couse I will. poppy is coming down to visit me again on the 23rd too, so hope it's an auspicious day.

    I hope you're keeping well, & still writing some poetry.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 414 Pioneering

    Tomorrow's Guardian Front Page - 18.04.25 - Ministers scramble to stop Labour rebellion on disability benefit cuts.

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  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 705 Championing

    An email received from DWP Public Events Consultation Team :

    RE: Booking to attend virtual event-Reforming the structure of the health and disability benefits system (chapter 2)

    Thank you for expressing interest in the Pathways to Work public consultation events.

     

    As expected, we are receiving a large amount of interest in all the consultation events.

    You have now been placed on a waiting list, will be in touch if a place becomes available at your requested event.

    We are still accepting responses to the Pathways to Work Green paper online, the survey can be found atwww.Gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper

     

    Regards,

     

    Pathways to Work events team


    ANY THOUGHTS?……

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 994 Connected

    Great, I may have put it a bit double dutch, if I don't get contacted I won't use, is what I meant, and those that have given sites to look at "Links" I welcome them and add to the appropiate sections of the document.

    I say document as this one has taken chapter and verse and cross referencing back to 2008 when I did an A to Z of benefits which is still being added to and amended to EVERY DAY.

    THANKS AGAIN, to everyone here contributing IN EVERY WAY, as we have said case histories, and outcomes are the start, the mid section is the AMENDMENTS MADE TO THE LAW, TRIBUNAL, OR CLAIMENTS DETAILS - GOOD OR BAD - AND IF THE CLAIM WENT UP OR DOWN WITH WHAT THEY USED - ANY COMPENSATION.

    IT HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT COMPENSATION, but the charters and laws placed on us to claim benefits of any sort. This latest change being one. I have not spent the last 4 years getting the Social Care Package in place to have an accountant tell me she can change it with NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.

    All supporting evidence must 1. State the reason for the change.

    2. must state the original draft in law.

    3. must state the expected outcome.

    4. must state an exceptable period to implement it and see results.

    5. If this is a longer period of implemenmtation then, unless you can state why, (and release of funding later is not a reason for change.) You have not budgeted correctly since if you are loosing money you already know the reason, which is normally bad admin at top, using others to support the errors of their management, with more miss management.

    6. Review the implementations after 1 month/2 months/6 months to make sure you are on track and that any errors that are shown up, are rectified on the run. ( in other words being monitored until targets are met.)

    7. If there is no way to implement changes, then don't change the system.

    8. MORE IMPORTANTLY, all amendments made after the FIRST DRAFT, MUST BE SHOWN AS AN AMENDMENT AND LOGGED.

    Number 8. is where the DWP and PIP Mare falling apart. Since (I have stated before) EVERY tribunal result MUST be logged, because, - if an assessor is not using the "up to date" forms then every assessment s/he does is suspect? By logging the reason why the assessment cannot be used, the DWP and PIP can see how many "rejections there are" and show this to us.

    This added recently.

    REBUTTAL TO TRIBUNAL 23RD APRIL 2025.

    REFERENCE QUOTE FROM A SCOPE FORUM IN ANSWER TO INFORMATION ALREADY GIVEN.

    "It seems there may be some misunderstanding regarding my request. It is not my responsibility to verify the claims you've made. If you are confident in their accuracy, please provide the specific sources, legal references, or official documents that support them. These claims cannot be treated as established facts without clear evidence."

    I'm not responsible for DWP's actions or lies, nor can I explain 15 years of treachery in 15 minutes. If you wish to make a difference, then read what I've suggested.

    Otherwise, as I've said twice, please stop telling me I am wrong when you don't (yet) know what I'm talking about. My comprehension is acute, but typing and explaining myself is exhausting. Not understood/not believed is the same to me.

    I think the reviewer was Paul Litchfield, and Professor Harrington was the government's medical advisor, but these are minor points and make no difference to my claims. Read DNS reports for the facts about those WCA reviews. Or don't.

    I will when a submission to the court next week will be including this and others for REFERENCE AND JOGGING NOTES FOR ME, to understand how, and why we are having drastic reforms to a system that can be used, but due to the "Blurring of the edges" and I make no excuse for me or them since I deal in plain English and apply the same laws that are use to inflict misery and shame on the NHS when the people who are running the "show" do not realise what half, and that is being generous, more live 98% of support both financially and medically has now been taken over by them. (DWP/PIP)

    I will also be mentioning the Charters and Laws that govern the assessment process, and ask:
    What is the purpose of an assessment for benefit? (ANY BENEFIT)
    What charter is used to allow a claimant to be called in for an assessment?
    Is their a set period between assessments, and how is this policed. And, if someone is starting to claim any benefits for the first time, who or where is their first port of call, or go to person/department?

    I already know this but since the Secretary of State is Duty bound to attend, I will only be reinforcing what I have said about the system and its administration, and the loss of administration by the NHS when blaming the NHS for the problems that we are now in, when it is the administration of the system, where many people including Professor Harrington, Paul Litchfield, Dr Mike Orton (may not be known by many, but took over from Pro. Harrington, the Grayling report, and all the white papers presented to parliament twice in one year, have spent 1000's of hours trying to explain what is wrong with the system, but then bring out their own version, from ours.
    That would not be so bad, but, in altering small words changes the WHOLE CONTEXT OF THE STATEMENT. One such example in the 4 point ruling is changing the Billions of pounds investment into the Disabled and NHS to get it up and running, has been changed to we are now investing in getting "people" into work?
    THIS is an inclusion of EVERYONE NOT WORKING?
    SORRY this will be asked.....

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 994 Connected

    Hi, and just to say, always get involved, that is what yourv MP is for. This also includes councillors in your area, as they are the ground troups when YOUR MP is in parliament or out and about.

    Find your local office, and just pop in, tell them your concerns and they should assist you, because afterall you voted them in and its a feather in their cap if they assist in putting even the little things right.

    Its not only about complaints against the System of assessment and loss of benefits, but to ask about bin collections. Are there changes being made to the way in which it is collected? Bins, Bags, or recycle collection or collection times. Are busses or public transport adequate? do they come on time? Do you have trouble with unreasonable behaviour in your area, is there enough police see in your area, do you want more, or do you think that the speed camera near you is not needed, or do you need one, because of excessive speeds in the town centre. This list is anything that affects you goes through your council and through the elected party.

    Hospital wait times, A & E and where is the nearest. So if we were all tyo get involved like here locally, its just another way of getting heard.

    As a point of interest if you send your APPOINTED PARLIAMENTARY M P AN E-MAIL listing your concerns, and there is no need tto go intop great detail at this time, (in the first contact.) they are obliged to answer and/or invite you to give more details where s/he can present yours and others that have contacted her over what ever issues you have raised.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,784 Championing

    Public law project I've emailed for half hour advice think thier on Easter break I've got solicitor calling 1.20 for 15 min legal advice maybe you could do that also have more understanding than me also emailed disability rights

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,784 Championing
  • judie
    judie Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering

    Nothing that's been sent to me shows hard evidence of any cases at risk of really losing out

    Send him all the coroner reports of deaths directly related to disability benefit cuts. What a crass and obviously untrue statement for someone democratically elected to make. Pure contempt for disabled people and his constituents. Can we find out who this is?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,784 Championing
  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 3,407 Championing
    edited April 2025

    We are trusting the countries finances (100's billions of pounds) to a LIAR !

    The Chancellor states on her LINKEDIN at she was working as an “economist” at HBOS from Dec 2006 to Dec 2009.

    This is NOT true.

    Reeves actually worked in a mundane support department at the bank, according to multiple former colleagues.

    Within the Halifax/HBOS Complaints team there was a small support unit which managed administration processes, IT matters, and small projects and planning.

    It was a team of three people FAR from the Economics Department.

    HBOS was acquired by Lloyds in 2009 and the Chancellor left in December of that year to pursue a career in politics…

    She has to GO !

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,784 Championing

    It's all a scam thier going through the motions sorry to sound negative they will be talking about work work need to find legal advice fir statutory authority exemption and if that can really be challenged anyone clued up on this?

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 3,407 Championing

    I really wish that I could attend one of these - but the distance (100 miles minimum) precludes this…

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 994 Connected

    @noonebelieves, and others in support, 

    Firtsly I would like to say I have been in the system since 1998 and probably a bit before that as well.

    When I first going to Tribunals then, I was also a full Time Senior Shop Steward, as well as working as a Site Engineer so also was a First Aider, and wrote Risk Assessments and Method Statements FOR ALL TRADES.

    This covered everyone from the Toilet Cleaner to the CEO, and included doing those jobs and gaining certiication to write those with the HSE and Trade Unions.

    My point, everyone has a skill, its a good employer that can see someone for what they do and ask them is there any improvements we can make to make things easier for you and me?

    I am not worried to present my case to anyone from the Parliamentary Commission in London, (where the 2014 Social Security Act was based, to a First or Second Tier Tribunal where th big desk symdrom kicks in, and believe everyone that side does know better.

    Well, they obviously have not met me yet, since I don't go intheir guns blazing, although I have done but only where necessary. I believe in using the laws and charters set up by the people who "know best and ask them if they know this or that and ask a question knowning the answer and then state can you look at this report and show where it states that.

    I am also prepared with, its only a one off? (Well that one life you changed or tthe worse.) and can you explain this report? Or its outcome? Show me the amendments? And this case? And this case? I will show each case andf show you the ACTUAL OUT COME, not the one stated in court, and can you explain why this assessment is still being used and why you have not adhered to the judges direction and sent me the amendments or the amendments made while at court? Or the original requests for information both prior to a MR and after.

    This lead me to go further and as a judge said to e Go away and learn your trade if you want to represent someone.

    So I did. If you look no get support in your area and want a solicitor to help you in court you will not find one when you state its against the DWP. You are also not given help in a Civil proceeding, again when they find out that the people you are taking a proceeding against are DWP workers, Decision Makers, or Assessment companies HIRED BY THE DWP TO ASSESS US. Is this impartial? what are the assessments designed to do? Originally to sign post us to treatment, and benefits BOTH financially and medically since "NEURO DIVERSANT" DISABLED PEOPLE HAVE NO OTHER MEANS OF EARNING MONEY to pay for things like that dinner I liked butt can't afford, or the heating on because I am cold, because it costs to much, that adaption I need but have no way of finding out where or how to apply, or the rules being changed for access to benefits with contact to me and the way it affect me and my benefits.

    Or even if it means another cut to the financial help given on paper to disabled people but taken off you because they forgot to increase your tax allowances and infact class them as UNEARNED INCOMEE AND TAX IT ANYWAY.

    AS A QUESTION FOR SOME TO CONSIDER: (I already know the answer.) If you are now having a pension Taxed as unearned Income, then are you entitled to OTHER MEANS TESTED BENEFITS LIKE, Income Support, Universal Credit, sickness benefits (since this should be covered under the Care Component of my Disability which is NOT means tested.) to name some, and also am I entitled to a tax rebate?

    the 23rd has already been won since this is to get long over due compensation and to get the amendments logged onto the system that should have come from 1998, and again in2008, the reason ATOS decided to hand back the contract for assessments and BUY THEM SELVES OUT AT AN UNDISCLOSED AMOUT, the reason Ian Duncan Smith Resigned ( not the official one released to the press, but the one he was supposed to answer to in Court and did not attend, (but sent the court a resignation letter to them not me through the court, which the court excepted, I DID NOT.) 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 Social Security Act, THE 2018 SOCIAL SECURITY ACT, The new Social Care Act from Last Year, NOW 2 YEARS OLD (september) and still not implemented since they gave their own version of that, which the new "budget" is only a revamp of that. (Their version.)

    I am fed up with them not doing what a court has instructed to do so this year after APRIL 2025. I will show my contempt for the system by using the system as it was intended for.

    I have stopped certain things and do not want to go into details yet and let the system do what it does best and remove things. Then by compiling the results and proving this is not a one off has cost some departments to rethink also "on the run" as they are all trying to put things right before next week.

    SORRY guys its all about accountability and the fact that your name, or lack of it on a doument just makes matters worst.

    so the fight/discussion soon ends (for Me) (then for you) I would like to see a positive outcome, as all my eggs are not in one basket since here, and at Labour Party head quarters where I am have realised the voting power of the people that are being upset by these CUTS to benefits NOT SUPPORT that we are entitled to will boost the chance to be revoted in not only on our subject of benefits but at Community levels with other issues that involve YOU.

    I would be happy to direct anyone to departments for care or adaptions to disability or long term sick, but its only a question of contacting your LOCAL MP and asking if you get no sence from your local council. The council ndon't like receiving letters from constituents that have been side tracked or not heard. Give it a go.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 4,185 Championing

    I have just woke up to a text message from DWP saying my award is under review and if I haven't received the form in two weeks phone them

    Jeez I'm bricking it.

    My extended reward runs out August 2026 so I wasn't expecting to hear from them this soon.

    Can anyone offer me any advice how to avoid a f2f ( I'm agoraphobic with travel phobia)

    And I want to try to get an ongoing award this time as my health conditions are long term, have worsened over time and are never going to get better.

    I am 61 years old.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you

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