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  • Dianaf
    Dianaf Community Member Posts: 109 Empowering

    Kendal has an evil face like reeves.

  • Donna_donna
    Donna_donna Community Member Posts: 35 Empowering

    I truly believe that the whole 4 point situation has been being planned for years.

    Hence why the vast majority of us don't ever get given those 4 points.

    It doesn't matter who the current gruberment is ,this was going to be implemented regardless.

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I wish Sunak hadn’t left , I doubt he would have been as bad as them . Mel stride is another matter.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    my last assessor was steering me away from 4 point answers , in fact on at least one descriptor I scored a 4 point but was given a 2 .

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    She always looks demented and her face contorted with her hate for the disabled.

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  • Topcat71
    Topcat71 Community Member Posts: 194 Empowering

    I explain to Ai how I feel at the moment and this is how it responded to my thoughts.

    "It sounds like you're feeling a sense of resignation mixed with a desire to fight. It's a difficult position to be in. Remember that even if the odds seem stacked against you, collective action can sometimes create unexpected change"

  • Topcat71
    Topcat71 Community Member Posts: 194 Empowering

    No matter who you vote in they just change and become just as bad or even worse than the ones they criticize. Thanks labour it's 3.30 am I can't sleep with worry.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Community Member Posts: 381 Trailblazing

    Ed Miliband and the scientists proposing that are dumb and evil. Just saying

    Blocking sunshine to fight climate change?! 🙂‍↔️😨😞

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Community Member Posts: 442 Empowering

    bill gates , and you know what ? the chemtrails are real , they are poisoning us in my opinion , and you call it conspiracy but what I see with my own eyes is the truth .

    I have a right to my opinion as you do you . Peace .

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 994 Connected

    As a Comment on how things went in the election:

    The reform seem to be doing well…. Why do you think that?

    Some voters are not amused with the previous government and the way they were running things, so when the vote came for a change voted Labour in to "help" But even looking at the hipe, hitting the ground running was not what we agreed. Yes there was a need for system reform, but some have to realise that Wales in general is RED alread.

    So what has changed:- No winter fuel payments for some that already received it, others not getting it because the "rise" in Pensions pushed them over the threshold of what they could live on.

    Have you (the government) forgot what the rise was for? Finally an increase in the Cost of pensioners but in giving them the rise took it back off you in TAX. Have you really thought this through? Yes I believe this was the intention since to look as though you had a rise on paper but as I stated at the time in real terms it impacted on ALL other benefits received by pensioners.

    This also applies to any one on benefits of any sort, by increasing the Basic Wage for people of working age, it doesen't take a rocket scientist to see what it actually achieved in real terms to people in their pockets.

    So how is all this applied to SCOPE and the people who visit this site……

    Yes I can list again the points of what has been achieved against what we have actually gained with BUDGET FIGURES and investments made since in power, but, in real terms ……… To assist the people that they were supposed to help in the first place, REFORM have stated that "each Councillor" each Mayor will be applicable for their own budgets. This is not new but the innitial "orders of what to fix and how to get voters to change has.

    It was ability to MOBALISE "troupes on the goround as we have found out by winning a Labour hold by 6 VOTES.

    This is your chance to be one of those 6 and make a difference to the future.

    By saying that if you don't vote or make your vote known as to whether you support or don't support the changes being made then straight away you will loose my vote.

    Why be an MP or AM, Councillor or Mayor if you do not state your intentions before the vote? Any one that has not press released their intention would in my eyes loose my vote.

    I do not wish this to be a political opinion, but, support for SCOPE and support in posting issues here allow admin to formulate papers and report that some may not see happening, but believe me as a Member of Scope and the Senedd where we had a vote last year and I became lucky enough to become one of these members, I have combined what I was already doing within Labour, Unite the Union in support actions being taken around the country, the retired section of Unite and pension rights and more importantly with SCOPE, have access our rights as Disabled people, people on long term sick, or people who now find that your PENSION IS BEING TAXED AS UNEARNED INCOME.

    If this is the case then as a means tested benefit, I must be entitled to other means tested benefits?

    Only one question to ask, Why was my TAX Allowances increased like those who had an increase in the Basic Living Wage?

    Sorry guys the thresholds of how many hours you need to work to get U C has not chjanged in line with the increases, so where 16 hours a week would give you "X" amount of earnings which were topped up by UC infact the same amount of hours now gets you a £320 REDUCTION IN YOU UC AMOUINT? (over the month)

    So are you better off? I was better off with out there help.

    Finally: You need to realise that being one of these six people has changed every thing, so if you want to make a difference and remembering how many votes are held by SCOPE members, by Pensioners, by people claiming benefits, they ALL ADD UP.

  • charlie72
    charlie72 Community Member Posts: 259 Pioneering

    There is also a petition on the Green Paper if people would like to sign it, thanks.

    https://chng.it/SZQ87WyHHc

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Community Member Posts: 415 Pioneering

    I'm posting this from the Benefits and Works site for information and it may be beneficial to make our MP's aware of this.

    News

    Academics show Labour is overwhelmingly targeting its own voters with PIP cuts

     Published: 03 May 2025

    A group of academics from Northern universities and health services have calculated how much income each Westminster parliamentary constituency may lose as a result of personal independence (PIP) cuts.  Labour constituencies take 92 of the top 100 biggest losers places, with the North East and North West hardest hit, suggesting that PIP cuts are aimed squarely at Labour’s own voters.

    The, report was funded and produced by Health Equity North and carried out by academics from the universities of Manchester, Newcastle and Sheffield, along with the Northern Health Service Alliance.

    Researchers looked at how many PIP claimants in each constituency did not score four points or more for any daily living activity. They then calculated what the loss of PIP for those claimants would mean in total for each constituency as well as what the loss per head of working age population would be.

    Researchers found that:

    • The ten worst-hit constituencies are all Labour-held, and in “Red Wall” areas
    • The impacts will disproportionately affect the constituencies which already have the lowest life expectancies in England.
    • They found that the average loss per working age adult in England is £176
    • The changes are set to have the greatest effect on regions such as the North East (£269 per working-age person on average), the North West (£231), Yorkshire and The Humber (£206), the West Midlands (£191) and the East Midlands (£185)
    • The worst-hit constituencies are in Easington (£409 per working-age person), Liverpool Walton (£403) and Knowsley (£389)
    • These three constituencies alone could lose an estimated total of £23.8m, £26.2m and £23.4m respectively per year by 2029/30

    In fact, because these calculations did not take into account the possible loss of other linked benefits and the loss of additional elements in other benefits, the actual figures could be very considerably higher.

    One of the report’s authors, Professor Clare Bambra, said:

    “Those areas that will lose most from this proposal were already decimated by austerity, COVID and the cost of living crisis. They have worse health than other regions and their local services and economies are already struggling. Losses of this magnitude risk worsening the situation for everyone living in these deprived constituencies.

    “Parliament cannot risk rushing proposals like these through without fully considering how they affect local areas that are already struggling. We hope that research such as ours gives MPs more context, so they can make the most informed, forward-thinking and economical decision.”

    Readers with a Labour MP, in particular, might want to drop them an email drawing attention to this report.

    You can read more and download a copy of Local Economic Impact of the Proposed Changes to Personal Independence Payments (PIP) by Parliamentary Constituency

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  • Topcat71
    Topcat71 Community Member Posts: 194 Empowering

    Is anyone preparing if they are refused pip saying that all these changes happen.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,466 Championing
    edited May 2025

    I agree - its almost as if they believe that UKs atmosphere remains UK's atmosphere - when in reality - with what India, China and now USA pump out - it doesn't make the smallest hoot of a difference even if UK completely stopped producing greenhouse gases completely now !!

    At the expense of £billions - we may as well give up……because what will happen will happen anyway - it's too late to fix.

  • Loulou82xx
    Loulou82xx Community Member Posts: 56 Empowering

    I don't think that there is really any preparing people can do. Most of us live month to month so saving money beforehand is going to be very difficult. My husband has started to look to see if there are any jobs going in our area and in his field as if I lose PIP we lose carers for him. LCWRA and also carers element on UC which is over 15K per year. We would have less than £450 per month after our rent is paid as our housing allowance doesn't cover our full rent. I realise I am in a more fortunate situation as I have a partner who could go back to work, I have several friends who are single and disabled and they would not have any option as they are not able to work and would be destitute if they force this vote through and hundreds of thousands of disabled people would be in the same situation, I honestly don't know what the government expect will happen.

    Firstly since they are linking LCWRA to PIP it is going to lead to a large increase in PIP claims from people who currently receive LCWRA but don't claim PIP. They will have no option but to claim PIP.

    Secondly people who are at risk of losing PIP will do all they can to keep it and will go to tribunals and keep putting PIP claims in as soon as they have any change in condition which may qualify them.

    It is going to lead to an increase of costs for the government paying for all of the tribunals and increased staffing to deal with PIP claims from people on LCWRA.

    Local councils will be overwhelmed with people needing housing, food banks, not being able to pay council tax will lead to less revenue for the councils and at the same time increased demands of services.

    Local GP and mental health services will be overwhelmed with people seeking help, depression is going to get worse, as well as other mental health conditions, increased hospital visits and hospital stays.

    I hate to say it but people who feel hopeless and helpless to change their situation may decide they don't want to be here and the government will literally have blood on their hands. I find it hard to wrap my head around how callous they are acting.

    There will be many more knock on effects I haven't thought of and I just hope that the proposals will be watered down or some sort of other payment is given to cover people who will lose their PIP and LCWRA.

    We will have to wait and see what ultimately happens but try and keep hope alive, living without hope becomes soul destroying and we are all in this together and we will continue fighting as hard as we can.

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    I feel you on this 🥺 ....I'm one of those people that is on cbesa / lcwra but doesn't claim pip .....

    As things stand , the pip changes that are coming in November 2026 will affect existing claimants and new claimants of pip only after that date

    People like myself ( nearly a million by all accounts ) will be reassessed with the existing wca up until sometime in 2028 , when at that time the wca will be scrapped and the new pip criteria will take over for the rest of us ....

    All I'm concentrating on at the moment is passing that and then dealing with the pip assessment when it takes over .... Otherwise it's to overwhelming

    I'm just praying within that time these proposals are watered down , I also doubt very much starmer will still be in a job by then

    It's not just that these proposals are cruel in every form , but the more I try and work out how they will work is baffling to me 🤷

    There is no way that these reforms will cause anything else than chaos and hysteria , it will leave people absolutely desperate , that is why there is still a part of me that is quietly confident that not just that they won't go through but in there current state they simply cannot .... They have been so poorly thought out with absolutely no evaluation of the destruction they will cause

    Alot has been said about pip but the people in my situation stand to be hit as some of the hardest with the scrapping of the wca and there has been next to no coverage on that

    All we can do is wait and hope .... What a truly awful way to live

    I never thought I would despise a government as much as Johnson's , especially not a labour government.... But here we are

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