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While I agree with your comments and that of others, the whole Idea of a discussion is promote ideas and possibly change someone elses view because they were told this or that and they have agreed to it at the time.

Yes I have discussed Flat earth, and that we are having the sun go round us, and that one day we are going to have a meteor hit earth that is going to be of solid gold and make our gold reserves plumit and not be the basis of currency, and that Donald Trump will never get another term in office as long as I have a hole in my shoe.

Well folkes, I do have a hole in my shoe otherwise how do you get your foot in? What you do is design the shhoe to be fit for purpose. Make them slip on, or zipped up at the front, side, back, have no heels or stilletto's. Made from man made materials, plastic, crocodile, or the latest fad by making them from the Skin of a T-Rex that was found in the perma-frost that is still eatable today?

To make a valid point is not about the Tin foil brigade and whether you support that or not since we have the Raving Looney Party in Parliament, but how change can be achieved through discussions "not" wars.

Nigel is now proving this by winning more and more seats, yet a year ago people were calling him a Radical?

In order to go forward in anything, you have to look from both sides and not be afraid to say we made a mistake.

In the news to state that will Keir have to back down and change his plans, is rubbish to me, what he should be saying, which he is, is, that we hear you and we are going to resind some things that are not being reacted to quickly enough or the expected results were not in line with our master plan.

Its not a question of being "forced" to do something but listening to the people on the Ground, the likes of you and me that are becoming a scociety of Money run institutens where budgets and Bonuses set the markers, and reinvestment come as a TAX RELIEF, except when things start to break then its pass the cost onto the people who "have no say" in the matter because we are on the receiving end of every thing except an easier life, now even when you retire.

It all comes under a DIFFERENT HAT, and a different set of cuts.