Savings over £6000 awaiting outcome

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  • aylasnan
    aylasnan Online Community Member Posts: 60 Contributor

    Thank you so much.

    I am ringing HB now. My notes tell me that I informed HB immediately at the same time as ESA. HB response was to wait until they hear from ESA!

    Google says my Councils limit is £16000 so I'm praying I finally have some good news there.

    Do the DWP accept payments before decision is made? My thinking is I have approx 11000 in my account for which UC are deducting £87 a month. Am I allowed to make a payment now of 5000 to dwp towards overpayment bringing uc down to 6000. Or would this be seen as detriment or whatever they call it?

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,619 Championing

    That sounds promising regarding the council. 🙂

    For the DWP, it's not possible to make a payment before the full amount has been calculated. The debt team won't have a case open for it to be paid into yet.

    Paying off debt is allowed on UC. So once you've got the letter with the full repayment amount on it, you can pay off the full amount without that being classed as deprivation of capital.

    Then just put your new savings amount into the UC journal. UC will probably ask to see proof of the new savings amount, especially if it's gone below £6000, so you will need to provide them with current bank statements if they ask. UC do allow PDF statements from online banking to be sent through the journal in most cases, so that is easier than having to print and send paper copies for ESA & HB.

  • aylasnan
    aylasnan Online Community Member Posts: 60 Contributor

    Thank you so much again!

    How do you know so much?

    Each time your advice has been correct.

    My council limit is 16000 so I am in the clear there for HB and CTR. Hooray. Finally some good news. Potentially half the problem sorted.

    First UC payment went in okay today so now it is just a matter of waiting for the ESA decision. And trying not to stress about the over 16000 bit.

    That was for I think the first 6 months of 2024. When you say they could want the whole lot what does that mean please?

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,619 Championing

    That's great, you're very welcome!

    Most of my knowledge comes from reading on here over the past 5 years, as well as my own experiences.

    When I said the whole lot, I meant all of the ESA payment for each week that you were over £16000. Because you had a dual claim, it is only the income related part that could have been overpaid, not the contributions based part. ESA letters are generally difficult to decipher, but if you've got an old one to hand, you might be able to work out how much was income related in your case.

    Just as a rough example, if you were getting around £250 a week, you might find that only £50 of that was income based. So the 'whole lot' would only be £50 a week instead of £250 a week in this example.

  • aylasnan
    aylasnan Online Community Member Posts: 60 Contributor

    I think I only have a dual claim now with this brand new UC claim. Part UC part eesa conts based.

    I remember the dwp saying I would owe money on all the esa money because although some conts based it was mostly income related.

    Please could you tell mevan approx worse case scenario figure for the 6 months over 16000 bit? I suppose that figure would then be on top of the £6864?

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,619 Championing

    It would have been a dual claim before as well. It is only dual ESA claims that migrate to dual UC claims. Many people don't realise they were on a dual ESA claim until they migrate because the ESA letters don't state it clearly.

    The £6864 would be reduced slightly if they do stop the payments for 6 months. That is based on payment deductions - and there can't be a deduction if there isn't a payment! So that would be around £1000 less. (£5800). If we say £200 a week income-related for 6 months, that works out as an additional £5,200 on top. But please don't stress about that until you hear back from ESA. As that is a fairly meaningless figure without knowing exactly how much was income related each week.

  • aylasnan
    aylasnan Online Community Member Posts: 60 Contributor

    Okay thanks so much for your patience and time.

    I am happier knowing what to expect.

    Now to wait…

    I expect you've chased them many times during your 9 month wait? Have you ever been told anything? How about the others with long waits?

    Are there people on here who's cases are dealt with quickly?

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,619 Championing

    I've never chased them. I can't use phones and they don't have an online system so ESA is totally uncontactable for me. That is the reason I never updated the savings with them in the first place.

    I can't think of anyone on here who has had a savings case dealt with quickly.

  • aylasnan
    aylasnan Online Community Member Posts: 60 Contributor

    I hope they take that into consideration for you.

    I understand it's rare but I meet 2 of the criteria for wavering debt.

    • 1. If the recovery of the debt is causing, or is likely to cause, serious health problems, emotional distress, or other welfare issues for you.
    • 2. You did not benefit from it.