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Under these new plans will we still be able to go to a tribunal if needed

True. An empty vessel makes most noise (as my teacher used to tell me 🤣).

You can't help it if you create scenarios in your head - honestly, I know exactly what it's like and I've always done it!. My mum used to tell me off and say deal with it if and when it happens, but I see it as having a contingency plan. I'm too old to change now! and am already planning what will happen when/if I lose PIP (I don't have any 4s). I will remember your saying though as that's very true for me too. Big hugs :)

I've just watched the Liz Kendall speech on YouTube on Guardian News. It has really underlined why it is so important for us to continue to keep the pressure up on MPs to see THE TRUTH about these cuts and for us to continue to inform them of it too.

They MUST be prevented from believing what this insincere, two faced woman (I had to put that, not what I really think she should be called, or else I would have been in trouble! ) has to say for herself and NOT to be taken in by the cleverly crafted spin. 😡

This farce was proceeded and followed by a few disabled people who had actually got themselves employed. 😳 An unusual occurrence and I noted that everyone of them was young!

That was cringe making to say the least and set the tone for a speech that was so divorced from our lived reality of what these proposals will do to the majority of us, especially older disabled people that it was breathtaking.

Again, she was only concentrating on making out that on the one hand the vast majority disabled people are capable of work then on the other, as if she had just remembered to add it on that she said she realised that there would always be those who will never to be able to work or work again on the other. The subtext there is that there are very few of us, in that position which is simply not true.

For the former we were promised professional and sympathetic work coaches. We know that that is not the case on the planet we know. Yet again, also how good work is for you, she should try having the sort of job we would get offered and see how long she'd last.

With the latter she repeated what they have said all along about the most severely disabled not being reassessed again. Who is that going to be and when is that going to be decided? What is the criteria we have got to fulfill to be exempt? Or is it even true and they are just saying it to us as another turn of the screw to demoralise us?

At this time, even the disabled of state pension age are not exempt as they can still be made to have a full reassessment with a light touch review. They can't even be made to work at that age. Just frighten them into thinking that they have to volunteer for work instead, probably.

All we know is that we are ALL going to have the minimum of a large part of our already insufficient and reduced benefits removed even if we are severely disabled and incapable of work. In many cases we will lose everything.

We all know this but the people who make the

decisions might not know or will be underestimating just how bad things will become for us. Especially in the face of so much well thought out misinformation.

My disgust 🤢 increased as Kendall started to raise her voice a little and make it wobble, to show how much she really cares!! 😳 As if! She seemed very convincing though, to the type who can't see through a award winning performance, like that. She only talked about the disabled who could work though, naturally.

If we don't keep calling this out for the CON that it is then I believe we will all lose out. This is very likely to take some considerable time to sort out and they will be obstructing us at every turn. It will be a very hard road but I don't think we have any alternative but to keep doing what we are doing. We CANNOT give up, whatever they throw at us. ✊

Liz Kendall, Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves are terrible politicians, they can't even BS properly, they're so transparent, anyone can see through their lies and rubbish.

Citizens Advice: Government’s health and disability benefit reforms mean that some of those affected will still be worse off even if working full time

Work won’t cut it: Income from employment and benefits for disabled people

Rayner wants tax rises instead of cuts I just heard. I wonder if she’ll come out in our defence.

Sadly I have a feeling they will continue - in round about ways - to dispute that there is any evidence. Which is exactly why the vote is scheduled to preempt the OBR impact assessment. They are hellbent.