Hi, my name is Sharon131! Will the council evict my brother if my mother passes away?

Sharon131
Sharon131 Online Community Member Posts: 4 Listener

Hi I'm looking for help. My mum is end of life in council house. My father passed away 12 years ago he's name was the only name on the tenenacy back then so my mum had to get new tenancy under succession my brother has always lived with her but we know that succession is only once. We are really worried the council will just evict without helping he is very bad health. Would be really gratefully for any advice

Many Thanks

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  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,509 Championing

    Hi,

    Sadly the council can and probably will evict him. Each council has their own rules though, so you could contact them to ask what usually happens in cases like this. (Don't have to give them names or addresses, just make it a general question).

    Personally I'd recommend applying for local Housing Associations for your brother. Council waiting lists are so long that they are very unlikely to be able to offer him any accommodation at short notice.

  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Online Community Member Posts: 5,910 Championing

    They may be able to offer him a tenancy, but that doesn't give any rights to the property he will be allowed a one bed only, unless he needs frequent overnight care and gets an appropriate benefit, then he may be entitled to two bedrooms.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 460 Trailblazing
    edited June 7

    I've personally dealt with a very similar case.

    They won't evict him at all even without health issues, but will make him an offer for a one bedroom flat, unless, as Kimi87 said it, "he needs frequent overnight care and gets an appropriate benefit."

    Soon you'll receive a letter from them informing you that they're seeking repossession of the property. This is the procedure. But do not wait until you receive their letter. You need to see them and explain to them the situation of your brother.

    They'll give him a reference number in order for him to bid for a flat and a high priority. With a high priority, you're placed at the top of the waiting list for a particular property, allowing you to bid more effectively. 

    In addition, since they need to get the two bedroom property back, they'll also look for a one bedroom flat for him. He can even refuse if they offer him a flat he doesn't like, as he has got a leverage. You'll see they will offer him a property within a month, as they need to recover their two-bedroom property more than your brother needs to be rehoused.

    No need to bother applying to your local Housing Associations. Anyway, no one can apply to Housing Associations, as they do not accept applications from individuals. Homeseekers can only apply to the council. It's only the council that can allocate a property/accommodation to someone with a Housing association. Housing Associations are only allowed to move their existing tenants between their properties.

    Hope this will help.

  • Sharon131
    Sharon131 Online Community Member Posts: 4 Listener

    Hi Passerby

    Thank you very much for your advice my biggest concern with this situation is the council state there is only one succession on the tenency.when my father passed 12 years ago my mother had to get new tenency. it’s a 3 bedroom house and been our family home for 48 years just unfortunate that my dads name was the only name on the tenency. Do you think contacting the council now will be helpful my mother is still with us but is end of life and we don’t know for how long. I’m hearing stories from people that are scary and I know councils can be very unhelpful Many Thanks

  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Online Community Member Posts: 5,910 Championing
    edited June 7

    You should definitely contact the council now to discuss things. That way you are all fully informed and prepared for what will happen.

    He will be unable to succeed to the current tenancy and won't be allowed to remain in a 3 bedroom home alone or with an assessed need for frequent overnight care.

    There is still a good chance he will be offered a new tenancy (especially with poor health) and can bid on one bed properties (if deemed not to need two). He will be in a strong position as the Council will be keen to regain a family sized home. Waits for a new place will vary from area to area.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,509 Championing

    I don't know where you've got this information from.

    I personally applied to my local Housing Association without any external input and have the option to bid on any property they deem suited to my requirements. Properties change each week.

    As was advised, different councils have different rules, so perhaps that is how things work in your area, but it isn't in mine.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 460 Trailblazing
    edited June 7

    You're confusing housing associations, which are generally considered to be private sector entities, though they are regulated by the government and are not-for-profit, with local housing authorities, which are the councils or borough councils, responsible for providing and managing housing within their area. 

    Housing Associations do NOT take any housing applications from individual homeseekers at all, unless the latter want to rent, lease, or buy Housing Associations' non-social (private) housing, as HA have private housing in addition to their social housing and affordable housing (which are not the same thing). Neither do they have any bidding system, as they're not allowed by law to advertise their social housing properties or allocate them to individual homeseekers.

    Housing Associations allocate their properties to the local housing authorities (councils), which advertise and allocate them through a bidding system to homeseekers.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 460 Trailblazing

    I thought you Mum had passed away. Sorry.

    Since your Mum is still alive, the council will only treat him as an ordinary homeseeker with no immediate need for housing, and thus will just put him through the common process, which will not help him anytime soon.

    Therefore, I would strongly advise you against approaching your local housing authority/the council at this stage. Don't make any contact with the council with regards to your brother's case for the time being, as it could backfire on your brother later on. If he now discusses his case with the council, they'll simply, as I said it earlier, put him through the common procedure, by putting him on the housing register, give him a reference number, and a common/low priority in order to bid for an accommodation. And later on when they'll need to recover their three bedroom property, they might just tell him that he had enough time to search for an alternative accommodation.

    Don't worry, they'll not just kick him out and make him homeless if your Mum ever passes away. In the meantime, just worry about your Mum, his health, and of course your own life.

  • lily84
    lily84 Online Community Member Posts: 52 Connected

    Hi passerby, sorry to jump in on this thread but I was wondering what the situation would be if in housing association property with long term tenancy. Tenancy in mother's name but not in father's, and have adult child living with them. Would they be kicked out of property after mother passes, or can you have a succession tenancy to the next person in a housing association property?

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 460 Trailblazing
    edited June 8

    A housing association tenancy can often be passed down also to an adult child through succession. In other words, a child may be able to succeed to the tenancy, provided the child has lived with the tenant for a certain period (usually a year) as an adult, and there are no other joint tenants.

    No, they won't be kicked out, but it depends also on the size of the property or how many rooms it has got.

  • lily84
    lily84 Online Community Member Posts: 52 Connected

    Hi passerby, OK thanks. Would the father be first in line for succession of the tenancy then instead of the adult child, or can you choose? Also with regard to succession, does it matter that the father and adult child names not being on the tenancy? . Its 3 bed house.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 460 Trailblazing

    If the father is married or civil partner to the tenant, or unmarried partner who has lived together with the tenant, his succession rights usually come first before other family members, including the tenant's children, provided he can show that it's his main home when his partner dies.

    No, it doesn't matter that their names are not on the tenancy as long as they can show that they've lived with the tenant for at least 1 year, which mainly applies to secure tenancies that started before 1 April 2012.

    But the trouble seems to be the size of the property - 3 bed house! The council may treat the property as under occupied, even if both the father and the child agree to stay together at the property, unless one of them can demonstrate that they've a qualifying disability or that an extra bedroom is needed for a carer, usually for overnight stay. 

    And if they're claiming Housing Benefit, they may need to justify the need for an extra bedroom.

  • lily84
    lily84 Online Community Member Posts: 52 Connected

    Thanks passerby, that's interesting to know that the father takes priority in any succession rights. I kind of thought he would but wondered if you could choose when one person is much older than the other. If tenancy goes to father, then what happens to the adult child when he passes too?

    Im unsure of the tenancy date but I know it's a secure housing association one from a long time ago. What do you mean by a qualifying disability in order to stay in 3 bed under occupied house? I believe both have a lot of health problems. Sorry for all the questions.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 460 Trailblazing

    Tenancy succession is generally limited to only one instance. This means that if the deceased tenant had already been a successor themselves, the tenancy cannot be passed on again, with the exception for Housing Association assured tenancies that started before April 1, 2012, which may allow for further succession in some cases. This would need to be enquired with your local council when the time comes and NOT before the father passes away, as it could backfire on the adult child later.

    However, if the father passes away, as we'll all pass away one day sooner or later, it would be very difficult, if not impossible, for the adult child to be allowed to occupy a 3-bed house only for themselves even if they can demonstrate a qualifying disability or the need of extra bedroom, as the home would be considered too big for one person.

    According to councils' housing allocation schemes, a single person (over 16) will be allocated a studio (bedsit) or a single bedroom property. 

    Having a lot of health problems is not enough in order to be allowed to have an extra bedroom. One has to be disabled and needs regular overnight care from a carer who doesn't live with them, and they must be receiving one of the relevant benefits, such as:

    • Attendance Allowance
    • the middle or higher rate of the care component of Disability Living Allowance
    • the standard or enhanced rate of the daily living component of Personal Independence Payment  
    • Armed Forces Independence Payment
    • the standard or enhanced rate of the daily living component of Adult Disability Payment
    • the middle or highest rate of the care component of Child Disability Payment

     

  • lily84
    lily84 Online Community Member Posts: 52 Connected

    Hi passerby, thanks for the info, I'm bit confused as to why would they need to contact the council when it's a housing association property though, and how does it backfire on the adult child? Also the tenancy from pre 2000 has not had a succession before.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 460 Trailblazing

    They would need to contact the council because it was the council that had provided them with their current property and not their housing association. Although housing associations own the properties they manage, they allocate these properties through a process influenced by the local council's housing allocation scheme. While housing associations have their own policies, they must adhere to the council's rules when it comes to nominations. This means that the council often selects tenants from its waiting list, and the housing association then allocates the properties to those nominated by the council. 

    Housing associations do not take any applications from homeseekers for their social and affordable housing. People often use social housing and affordable housing interchangeably, but in fact they're two different things. Housing associations only take applications for their private housing. Housing associations do not provide any social or affordable housing to anyone. No one can rent a social or affordable housing property directly from housing associations. This is the responsibility of local council's housing allocation scheme.

    Don't worry about what would backfire. This would not even happen, as the case won't reach that stage due to the fact that the property is a 3-bed house and it may be considered already too big for the father and the adult child, leave alone the adult child adult taking over succession of tenancy only for themselves after the father passes away.

    The adult child may need a pack of miracles to be able to take over succession of tenancy after the father passess away, not because tenancy succession is generally limited to one instance per tenancy, but the fact that the property is a 3-bed house.