Vehicles blocking pavements
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Sensible & thoughtful, @Ranald & really, to be expected from all users. I have a powerchair so 4mph, but I slow down & try & move away from entrances, just in case someone should appear.
As for e-scooters (saw your comment above), they really should not be on pavements at all, they are too fast & dangerous. Especially when they have more than one on them or shopping (I've been smacked in the shoulder from behind as one whizzed by with shopping bags on the handlebar 🤬) or on their phone.
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If you mean auto braking like those on supermarket scooters, it would be safer, as you'd never get anywhere, they are awful!
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I want a Sunrise Medical Quickie class 3 powerchair. They are very expensive however.
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Snap! That is what I would eventually like to get, but the price is eyewatering & the same as a small car. I often look for secondhand, but they are still out of reach, for now.
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I have 2 scooters to sell, that would help. I just use my credit cards and stuff the consequences, quite frankly.
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Electric scooters are integrated into traffic all over the world. They are the best transport for individual trips up to five miles. In addition, they can go where a mobility scooter cannot.
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The danger is not in the electric scooters, but in those who behave dangerously on them - these are teenagers who were not taught to behave respectfully towards others. If you remember, they were in everyone's way at all times, using various inexpensive devices for individual movement - bmx, skateboards and so on.
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We have youngsters who ride their, frankly, dangerous scooters down our road at an estimated 60mph - its a 30 limit - they do it every evening at 6:30ish - so assume that they are going home from work….
I am so tempted to inform the local PSCO who can then jump out in front of them and get mown down !!
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If I had the ability to ride something like that, I wouldn't need a mobility scooter.
You live in the USA? That isn't the UK.
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Not just teenagers, parents with kids, one or two of them on with them, no helmets. Also, older that are cocky & just like some teens, on their phones, plus drunks! BMX & skateboards never had motors & weren't half as deadly than what is now used. Always had cyclists on pathways but not with the motors that take them 30/40+mph with no regard for any other path or road users. There is no comparison to what went before.
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I went shopping on Sunday and was almost run over by a nincompoop on one of those weird,unicycle type contraptions.
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E-Scooters are still limited to 20mph in most (if not all) US States on roads as well as pavements - I am surprised that there are not more casualties !
Mobility Scooters are allowed to drive at between 15 and 20mph (on pavements) depending on the state !
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The PLEVs in the photos above are limited to 15mph (US 20mph). Those kids doing 60mph were definitely breaking the law, as they are electric motorcycles and require a license. It's like driving a Tesla without a license. Again, PLEVs can't go faster than 20mph.
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That is, if your health allowed you to ride such an e-scooter, but did not allow you to walk more than a few feet without pain - you would ride one. This is my case. Personally, the police "do not see" me on the roads, maybe because I drive safely and I am known as a disciplined car driver for many years?
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What do these photos have in common? They are not using personal scooters, but rental scooters.
I'll note that on a regular road bike it's quite easy to ride at 30mph... (A bit scary though).
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That's because "Personal" scooters are (thankfully) - illegal to use in public places in UK
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You are right - bullying the disabled and vulnerable is an old tradition in the UK. What is happening now with the Green Book is further proof of that.
By the way, the probability of being hit by a car is greater for a wheelchair/mobility user than for an 2w e-scooter - a standing person is easier to see.
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Not fighting yet?)
I'll add - in the photo above you can see plants on the fences, which steal useful pavement space. The posts definitely take up pavement space.
And the side mirrors of the cars too.0 -
@egister, I haven't got a clue why you posted all those photos covering most that I mentioned in my post or why you went on about the US & speeds or the fact that they apparently, according to you, are all rentals. There are rentals here too & guess what, they are fast & often seen on paths where they are not allowed to be.
I'll add, e-scooters/e-bikes should not be on any pavements, like the bloke pictured above, private or rental. In the UK, pavements are for walking on & if a wheelchair user, as we're governed to 4MPH. We come across the wing mirrors, over grown gardens, hedges, **** dangerous bumps, dips & cracks in paving stones. The last thing we & any pedestrian needs is speeding idiots flying passed or into us or forcing us to stop so that they can go on their merry way without a nod, thanks or KMA. There are no excuses for them to be on pathways. So, carry on & spoil for a fight with your retorts or weird excuses, you have now got a reply. If you have an e-scooter, leave the paths for us that cannot go on the roads, it will be a safer place for us in wheelchairs & as you have said, a standing person is easier to see. I just wish I could stand & then walk upright so I would be easier to see as it seems those on e-scooters, illegally on paths, don't see us either, even when they have passengers!! Anyway, have a good day, I'm off this thread now.
Oh, der… the reason I actually came back to this thread was, I was trundling along a pathway today & there was a highways transit truck & trailer parked just down from the bloke's house, I know that, as my sister lives in the same road & he (& his colleague who lives opposite & parks his van fully on that side's path!) always parks there, was too far over & I had to go over on grass & still caught something on his trailer, turns out, a metal reflector bar on it & it's now a bit bent. I am now going to report both of them, as enough is enough & they can walk around the corner to their bleddy vans.
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Some young lads drive electric motocross bikes where I walk (wheel) with Gus. They can't be any older than 13 or 14, so where did they get thousands of pounds worth of dirt bike?
Anyway, they tear about the MOD training area at ridiculous speed. I asked one of them how fast they can go, and he said 60 mph!
If I didn't care about the animals, I would hope one of them comes a cropper with the wandering folds of Highland cattle.
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