Stephen timms said over state pension age aint affected by cuts, is that still the same?

emma85
emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener
edited June 15 in PIP, DLA, ADP and AA

Hi stephen timms said the over state pensioners due to the cuts aint affected? Is that still the same

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  • Rosie_Scope
    Rosie_Scope Posts: 6,005 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Hi @emma85, At the moment we don't have all the details as nothing has been confirmed. The last I saw was that they are now considering in more detail how people over state pension age will be affected by the 4 point rule:

    Written questions and answers - Written questions, answers and statements - UK Parliament

    I'm afraid I don't have any more solid information at the moment, but I hope we'll learn more soon.

  • FredFlintstone
    FredFlintstone Online Community Member Posts: 49 Contributor

    There is a line in the bill which looks like people over pension age may be excluded from the 4 point rule.

  • emma85
    emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener

    SSo They might not be affected?

  • bellatango
    bellatango Online Community Member Posts: 69 Empowering

    Subsection 4 appears to be a "get-out clause" to allow the SoS to make special provisions for particular groups of people.  They almost certainly have pension age PIP claimants in mind here.  The paragraph actually says:

    "to make different provision for different cases or purposes (including different provision for persons of different ages);"

    So, for example, it might allow the SoS to decide that the 4-point rule will never apply to any person at or over pension age, who is already in receipt of PIP daily living in November 2026.   This would give pension age claimants an exemption, but it's interesting that this is not being put into the Act itself.

    The subsection also allows the secretary of state to provide for "a person to exercise discretion in dealing with any matter".  

  • emma85
    emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener

    Sorry I don't understand?sorry to be a pain

  • FredFlintstone
    FredFlintstone Online Community Member Posts: 49 Contributor

    @emma85 They might not be affected. It all depends on the interpretation of what @bellatango has pointed out. Not worded in the bill very well.

  • emma85
    emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener

    Ok thank u.

  • emma85
    emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener

    Hi is their any updates about the over state pensioners are they affected by the changes?or a they impacted by them if they put a request in about their change of circumstance?

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 938 Championing

    Stephen Timms is a disgrace, He was having a meeting with some disabled activist and one collapsed on the floor, he just got up ,walked around her and left the room. He shouldn't be disabled minister. Richard Burgon has been campaigning against these cuts, he would be better

  • emma85
    emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener

    TThat's Really bad.what about over state pensioners are they affected?

  • Rosie_Scope
    Rosie_Scope Posts: 6,005 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Hi @emma85, unfortunately, we still don't have many facts about this. When the bill came out a couple of days ago it included a part about age which bellatango was talking about a few posts up. That may mean that people of pension age aren't affected by the PIP 4 point rule, but there still hasn't been any official confirmation of this yet.

  • emma85
    emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener

    I understand. But it's not very fair on the people that needs the money to live on to help them on a day to day basis

  • emma85
    emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener

    I have been reading it about the over state pension age that were born before 1960 aint affected by the proposed cuts.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,244 Championing
    edited 6:20PM
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1039704#Comment_1039704

    Do you have a source for that? I see nothing except he has angered disabled campaigners by making 'insensitive' remarks.

  • emma85
    emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener

    HHe Would be much better mr burgon would be

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 938 Championing
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1039751#Comment_1039751

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/troubling-picture-of-timms-emerges-from-meeting-with-campaigners

  • emma85
    emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener

    HHe Shouldn't do that.really I don't know what's going on tbh I just feel sorry for these disabled people

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,244 Championing
    edited 9:43PM
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1039762#Comment_1039762

    I am in no place to doubt it, but I am surprised it is not mentioned in mainstream newspapers. there no pictures?

  • emma85
    emma85 Online Community Member Posts: 82 Listener

    Can you see it going through?

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,244 Championing
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1039803#Comment_1039803

    This bill is going through, it's just a question of how it is amended.

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