Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Don't forget the DLA claimants born born before a certain date in 1948. They were not/ will not be invited to claim PIP instead. The youngest are only 77 and could easily live another decade… or two.
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They will probably have to claim Attendance Allowance like OAP's who become disabled later in life and will not get anything to help with mobility.
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Yes sadly the group fight isnt there, although "I might" be ok now with the concessions, I will still stand for those affected, as Albus has said. Remember also if we let this go, it means they will come back anyway again in the future.
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Neither of our children get any Universal Credit, they are on ESA income related, support group. We are waiting for the migration letter. But my concern is will the get the same transitional protection in say 2 months time if this paper goes through on Tuesday or would they get a lesser amount.
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Every claimant should be assessed under the same criteria. No matter what the new criteria is. It puts everyone on a level playing field.
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I think so yes, the bill wont be immediately in effect after the vote.
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There has been zero to suggest that. The DLA of these ageing claimants has been preserved since 2013. Similarly, PIP claimants over retirement age are not being transferred to AA.
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That i can't say. They are possibly sacrificial lambs. Very unfair, and if we let them, these politicians may attempt to redraw the social contract.
I tell you what, if I thought it made any difference, I would lie down in the street in protest. I however don't live anywhere of import to even be noticed.
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@Catherine21 I'm also worried re the iresa to uc migration situation, will we be classed as "New claiments " even though we are migrating.I really expect my letter very soon but who knows. Hopefully we will not be treated differently. The entire thing stinks. I hate the idea of what the future may hold for us and others.
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True indeed.
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It doesn't matter how much employment support they put in place I am still unable to work and no employer would employ me. I have worked my whole life up to 3 years ago when I became too ill to work and have deteriorated further since then. I am highly qualified so don't know what they would even do in my case! It's all a shambles and I'm still scared.
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that's what neoliberalism does to people. remember Margaret Thatcher's quote that there's no such thing as a community?
and that's exactly why the insurance industry supports these cuts.
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They know this, we know this, but they also know of the mass apathy out there in society.
Employers are queuing up to employ ill and disabled people! It's so cynical and so silly.
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Anyway, to respond to Scope's statement, these "concessions" are mere smoke and mirrors designed to create a two-tier disability community. Pausing the bill is not enough. Anything that isn't "drop the cuts" isn't enough.
This is why more and more disabled people are supporting activist groups like DPAC and Mad Youth Organisers.
Scope, like all disability charities, should be lobbying MPs to vote for the bill wrecking amendment next week, alongside lobbying the Speaker so that he selects the amendment, and not help Kid Starver send more disabled people to their deaths via these cuts.
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Not a good look for HMG.
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If it makes you feel better I expect migrations to be the same as existing UC in terms of the protection. Plus I think the starting date for change is after when the migrations are expected to finish. It doesnt start the day the bill is passed.
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They as good as admitted they rushed this through as they needed the money asap to balance the books . But if they reckon they aren’t saving anything from existing claimants now why the rush ? Surely if it’s fire claimants who are their next victim’s they have plenty of time for a proper consultation and MPs to go through the concessions. Plus if the consultation ends on the 30th June and it’s already being debated how have they gone through the data to see how we feel ?
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Greetings, all!
Thanks so much for your wise and insightful thoughts on this whirling dervish of a "government" that seems to do nothing but wind itself up into a frenzy and collapse in a heap..
.. or does it?
This latest 180º is not a complete climbdown, as you've all said, so I wrote again to my MP and asked her to vote against this latest chewing-gum-and-string insult to the intelligence. If anyone's interested, I paste in my new email that I have just sent:
(To Dear MP)
I write in connection with the very recent news regarding the vote on the above this forthcoming Tuesday.
Most unfortunate, it is, that our "government" has seemingly been dragged, kicking and screaming, into this unedifying volte-face, which even it cannot camouflage as a "win" and a "we are all on the right track" claim, which is still of course not true, even if there has been a change of heart. To consider that this government might even have a heart (much less a brain) is surely far beyond the wildest imagination, although it is at least "something" at this very late stage in the proceedings.
Having seen that the hastily-cobbled-together "response" is nothing more than an attempt to proceed with the original plans, albeit plans that now do not go far enough for this lot, it does now, unfortunately, risk the creation of the much-touted "two-tier" system in which those who, in future, try to request assistance due to disabilities, will possibly have 2nd class support, while those who — by dint of qualifying before the changes — will have support in its current form.
Please, however, accept my heartfelt gratitude and respect for your having signed the recent Reasoned Motion, which, together with reports of swelling opposition to his plans as they then were, has led to this belated "Road to Damascus" seeing of the light.
Is it possible, however, that his imminent defeat this coming Tuesday provided more of a reason to announce this badly-disguised "climbdown" only today? Does a vote and his continuing political survival (for the next few weeks at least) mean more than a vulnerable, disabled person? Unfortunately, it seems so. Perhaps, given his recent, woeful performances, he could request a pair of strong climbing boots from the donor of his nice and expensive-looking shoes of last year, as he will almost certainly need them in future.
In any case, may I take the liberty, please, of requesting — again with the greatest respect — that you vote against the plans, which will consign future applicants with disabilities to even more poverty than those who will not now (unless changes are made in future) be affected?
Again, I would respect and understand the decision, which you will make on the day.
Yours sincerely and most respectfully,
Etc.
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From Benefits and Work
Questions the government needs to answer – and MPs need to ask
One of the major issues with the Pathways to Work Green paper is the number of questions it leaves unanswered. But now, with the government’s hastily created “concessions”, things are even more unclear. Especially whether the concessions mean current claimants are permanently protected or have just been granted a temporary reprieve.
Below are a number of questions, some of which you might want to ask your MP before Tuesday’s vote, because they should be clear what they are voting for. Or you may have others you want to ask. The important thing is to keep reminding MPs that there is still the option of voting to scrap the bill on Tuesday, regardless of any concessions offered.
But do bear in mind that many Labour MPs who signed the amendment have said they are still going to vote against the bill, as will many opposition MPs, so your MP may still be an ally.
In her letter to Labour MPs Liz Kendall writes: “Therefore, we will ensure that all of those currently receiving Pip will stay within the current system. The new eligibility requirements will be implemented from November 2026 for new claims only.”
This implies that current claimants will not be protected from the results of the ministerial review of the PIP assessment, due to make changes to PIP eligibility criteria in 2028. Given that the governments overriding concern is to halt the rising cost of disability benefits, the review can only result in a tightening of eligibility criteria – quite possibly including retaining the four-point rule . So, this concession may be no more than a short reprieve for current claimants.
Q. Will existing PIP claimants stay on the current test for life or be subject to the new criteria created by the ministerial review of the PIP assessment, to be completed in 2028?
Many thousands of adult DLA claimants are still waiting to be reassessed for PIP through no fault of their own. If things had run to the original timetable they would by now be PIP claimants and protected from the 4-point rule.
Q. If current adult DLA claimants, awaiting reassessment for PIP for many years, are finally dealt with after November 2026 will they be assessed under the current rules or the new 4-point rules?
Kendall writes “. . . we will adjust the pathway of universal credit payment rates to make sure all existing recipients of the UC health element . . . have their incomes fully protected in real terms.”
How long does this protection last?
Q. Around 600,000 current UC health element claimants do not receive an award of the PIP daily living component. When the WCA is abolished in 2028 and receipt of PIP daily living becomes the qualifying criteria for UC health element, will they continue to have their income protected? Or is the protection only temporary?
If your MP is one of the Labour rebels, they may be considering withdrawing their name form the amendment, as a number have already said they will.
Q If you are considering withdrawing your name from the reasoned amendment, does this mean that you are resigned to many thousands of future claimants being plunged into poverty, even though you think it is wrong for current claimants?
Kendall writes in relation to the review of PIP assessment criteria: “At the heart of this review will be coproduction with disabled people, the organisations that represent them, and MPs so their views and voices are heard.”
Q. If it’s important that the views and voices of disabled people are heard in respect of future changes, why are their voices not important in relation to the enormous changes in the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill?
Q. If the main aim of the government is to put disability benefits on what they view as a sustainable footing, by cutting the rise in costs considerably, what possibility is there of disabled people genuinely being listened to as PIP criteria are rewritten?
Q. The PIP four-point rule does not come into effect until November 2026, almost a year and a half away. So why is it so important to get the legislation through the Commons in the next two weeks, without consulting on it?
Q. Given that there are so many unanswered questions about the proposed reforms, and that the government is already going to have to find £3bn to fund their concessions, would it not be wiser to scrap the whole Green Paper process and start again in genuine coproduction with disabled people?
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/questions-the-government-needs-to-answer-%E2%80%93-and-mps-need-to-ask
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