Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Exactly this. None of this can be trusted.
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Whilst it appears many of us would be okay if the current rules would still apply to us on renewal, we need to keep on fighting for those waiting to transfer to PIP or who may apply for it at a later date.
I don't want there to be any changes, but more than that, I don't want there to be a two tier unfair system.1 -
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What is the governments definition of a NEW CLAIMANT ?
ie) When do they plan the cut off date to be ?
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why are you still claiming then if you don't need the money ? , maybe you could collect Tesco points instead .
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Just a quick question, hopefully someone will answer who understands what I am getting at because I am really concerned that folk are celebrating this as a win when I cant do that because something is niggling me, I'm finding it difficult to move past this niggle. Is it just me, it could be, I am struggling a lot with the effects of the new meds I am on and they are not related to mental health but are really messing my thought processes up, been told they can do that, they are not nice meds at all but being tried in an effort to get me stable and out of a two year flare up of one of my main debilitating conditions. Sorry, that was long winded phew 😮
This is my ''niggle'', I could swear when the green paper first came out I read, that changes to the actual assessment criteria etc would be left to a later date ? Now this could just be me, but maybe the Gov have given these concessions now while sneakily knowing that at that later date ( which I believe will be sooner rather than later ) they will just make the criteria even higher to reach and much more difficult to attain for the vast majority of claimants. This would help them to claw back the money they are going lose out on now plus some ! I cant help but think this is all a ploy to calm the rebellion and the disabled. We know this is all about money, I just feel its bonkers to think we have ''won'' I just know there will be private discussions going on behind closed doors right now, where those in power will be saying, well yeah we have to do this now but we will be in a great position ''later'' with the assessment criteria to get this money back and do what we wanted to do in the first place. There you go 🤣my niggle that will not go away and my reason to think we have not won a darn thing.
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What about claimants who use the funds for major expenses - like building works ?
I used my PIP to pay for a vital house wet room extension - which used up my future PIP for many years - how would I have paid for that using vouchers ?
Also if DWP had to reassess every single claimant every 3 years - they would never meet the demands of assessing new claimants - the workload would be immense.
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I completely agree with the points you’ve raised. Myself and @mrsBB highlighted these concerns early yesterday morning in the now closed Green Paper thread . While I welcome the fact that concessions have been announced, I remain deeply concerned about how they are being interpreted.
Many people seemed reassured that existing claims are safeguarded, but I would urge caution. The language used around these so-called protections is vague and could easily be reinterpreted once the Bill has been passed. Terms like "under review," "intended changes," and "at present" are not safeguards in any meaningful sense, they are placeholders that leave too much room for manoeuvre.
I will be heading off to the meeting shortly and hope to report back later with an update. Hopefully some of the questions you, I, and @emc123 have raised will have been addressed, but based on past experience, I am not overly optimistic that MPs will be well informed on the specifics of PIP and benefit regulations.
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I did say probably, didn't state it was fact. Might be an idea though instead of having two tier for pensioners on PIP and DLA when others get AA. PIP is an in work benefit so maybe it would be fairer to have all pension age people claim AA rather than make new rules for new claimants. Bring everyone onto a level playing field so to speak. Yes I would be prepared to change when I reach retirement age to make things fair to all. My dad is 5 years into parkinsons, his mobility and balance is terrible and he is 6 years into dementia so can't go out alone but manages with AA.
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Hello everybody. I think this is the end of my road. I cannot take living for however many more years with hte constant threat of changes to the wefaare system. My disability is advanced. No family no friends. Just daily pain. So I'm saying a big thankyou and goodbye. Bless you all. Zipz xx
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scope say don't start another thread on this but then they don't answer the question on their thread. I would like an answer instead of saying don't start a new thread as that remark is very unhelpful.
I want to know if the u turn is just a play on words. So, it says people on pip will now be protected but what does that mean. If you have someone on pip and they have a review after the changes are brought in, are they affected by the changes. not many people have a long award. most people have awards that last three years or five years.
So, once again scope. I ask you the same question. When someone comes up for review after being on pip do they come under the new rules. So if they don't get four points do they lose their pip.
Would appreciate an answer because a lot of questions people are asking are being ignored and a lot of people are worried
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Not a shred of hope or positivity has become of any of what this dreadful government has announced.
I have been trying to remain positive but its becoming increasingly difficult with so much stacked against us.
As for the idea of vouchers, well stick them up the jacksy!
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Sorry Meredith, I want to keep my PIP. I am a pensioner with long term debilitating conditions that I have had for many years. I do not want AA, it might work for your dad it would not work for me.
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MW, I still remain very deeply concerned by the whole ''we have won ''. There are so many unknowns to us at this point, we need the whole thing to be scrapped, not tinkered with. We still have the changes to the assessments to come yet and it is my belief all the money the Gov are loosing now with concessions will be taken back ''with interest'' when the changes occur. You are correct the phrasing is very ''fluffy'' we need an absolute definition for all of them, lets see if we get them, I doubt it, they will waffle as usual. Hope the meeting goes well, cant wait to hear the outcome 😊
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It does appear some folk are beginning to understand that we have not won ! It is just ''words'' from the Gov in an attempt to cover the cracks. Don't be fooled folks, we need to be vigilant now more than ever, we needed this paper to be scrapped altogether not just tinkered with 😊
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People are fuel for governments, and disabled people are pollutants of the fuel.
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Personally, I think the days of the Starmer government are numbered. He has assembled a fantastic team of incompetent people who literally turn everything they undertake into ashes.
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Who, since Rishi, has suggested Vouchers? It's been very Clear That's Not happening. Why has that word reared it's ugly head, again?
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No I been reading up changes will be April 2026/2027 let's hope stays at that or we get letter soon because esa migration up to April 2026 God never thought I'd wish for the letter always something to worry for never ending
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