Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
Comments
-
They are so evil, if they could kill us all off I think they would
1 -
Regarding my migration from the ESA to the UC, you were right, it was not really a big deal, and I like the journal, as I can send them messages through this, rather than wasting time calling them. I did it last Saturday and I received a message yesterday (Mon) advising me that I would receive my first payment on 3rd August and that a team would put me on LCWRA.
I really wonder how I would sleep tonight, as it's too hot and I can't leave the window of my bedroom open due to street noise!
1 -
I’m so glad it went smoothly for you . I wish I’d migrated over years ago now .
Yes I’m not a fan of this heat though my fans on 24/7 which helps . When my dogs allow me to enjoy it that is 😂0 -
Thank you so much. But it really has been a collective effort, every member here played their part. Our members didn’t just speak up, they made it impossible not to listen. Still, if we are handing out gold stars, @Catherine21 deserves a constellation. I am pretty sure Catherine sparked that Labour rebellion single-handedly!
5 -
@Catherine21 has been fantastic. You all have been and kept the momentum going. I never thought I'd have the courage to contact so many MP's. No matter what happens tomorrow we will all continue to fight on. This forum has made me feel less alone. A big thank you to you all. 👍️
3 -
Deserves a gold medal. She fought an amazing fight for a cause she believes. She has persevered through this volatile and deeply frustrating and fearsome situation, demonstrating outstanding courage and determination with great effort and energy.
4 -
Yes, as I am talking about what I have heard live in the debate.
That quote is typed in bad english, but looks like it says if someone requests a reassessment, it will be under the new rules. However the english is bad, its hard to treat it with credibility.0 -
Yeah I thought so, the quote I replied to just above, isnt even a proper phrase, a misspeak (or typo) makes sense, and good its confirmed.
1 -
Kendall was asked in the session if the changes are complaint with human rights and equality laws, and gave a straight yes, so she is in trouble with ministerial code if someone proves her wrong.
0 -
From my understanding you will be protected, and I am saying this with high confidence.
1 - you should be migrated before the date the new law comes into effect.
2 - for WCA puposes you are an existing claimant.1 -
Thanks for this.
This quote from the reply you got, seems to be a strong indicator, so that the protection is only a 2 year reprieve for the intermediate 4 point change.
Once the review of PIP descriptors is complete and implemented, any reassessments will be made against the new descriptors0 -
In my opinion its the prime policy of this government, look how early they did it after the election, the rush for the pip descriptor overhaul as well, all the pre election campaigning from Kendall.
Plus factor in the Labour parties history, although you mentioned earlier you felt Keir was going to be compassionate, there was little evidence of that, a sympathetic disability shadow minister got moved to a whip role, Kendall got moved to the top DWP job, Reeve is chancellor, so its a Blairite party, Blair has made it public what he thinks of disabled people, Labour have always been ideologically opposed (as an official stance) of Incapacity benefit, and they tried to kick a million sick people off with ESA.
Politically I agree he is weaker for sure, but they are getting their main thing put through, even if the full effect will be delayed by a few years from the concessions.1 -
Some rebel MPs are willing to vote in favour of this bill now because their current disabled constituents are protected.
As long as I’m ok, who cares for the rest.
Sickening
What will happen to that 55 year old who is now working in full health and in 2027 becomes disabled, but not enough to score 4 points in one descriptor?
No UC health element either?
And then what, poverty-death
What does it say about us as a society?
It’s just sickening and evil
2 -
We’ll all earn our points using the revised descriptors, but existing PIP claimants won’t need to hit 4 points for any of the categories.
The 4 points requirement is written into the main bill, existing claimants will be exempted from it in said bill, and is not part of the Timms assessment review.
That said, they have the freedom to make it as hard as they want to be awarded points using the revised descriptors. They could easily take it back up to 250,000 plus being put into poverty using this mechanism. This is the sense by which people are suggesting MP’s will be giving the government a blank cheque later today if they pass this bill.
3 -
And it’s starmers old law firm saying it
3 -
I’m sure I even read one of them say that too . Happy for my constituents
2 -
Logically timms review is going to be tougher eligibility, as the primary reason for is to cut caseload.
So that existing claimants are not exempt from it is not something to be ignored, it is a big deal.The main difference is we have no idea what the changes will be, whilst with the 4 point requirement we know who will be affected by it. The 4 point system is just a bridge until the permanent timms changes come into play, as they were so desperate to make changes they were too impatient to wait until 2028.
The numbers you mentioned is very likely. They still going to hit their target, but now they have more time to prepare for it (due to the intermediate 4 point exemption) and to get try and get charities on side.2 -
I’m not even convinced they’ll try to get charities on side. They’ll claim to have consulted with them, but probably just ignore almost all of the suggestions and plough ahead with their plan. The bill doesn’t compel Timms to do anything more than have a few conversations with disabled people and disability groups.
1 -
Yeah, they say time is a healer, and what you say is plausible. :(
0 -
I got a feeling thier going cancel it
0
Categories
- All Categories
- 15.3K Start here and say hello!
- 7.2K Coffee lounge
- 86 Games den
- 1.7K People power
- 122 Announcements and information
- 24.2K Talk about life
- 5.8K Everyday life
- 408 Current affairs
- 2.4K Families and carers
- 865 Education and skills
- 1.9K Work
- 523 Money and bills
- 3.6K Housing and independent living
- 1K Transport and travel
- 884 Relationships
- 256 Sex and intimacy
- 1.5K Mental health and wellbeing
- 2.4K Talk about your impairment
- 863 Rare, invisible, and undiagnosed conditions
- 922 Neurological impairments and pain
- 2.1K Cerebral Palsy Network
- 1.2K Autism and neurodiversity
- 39.3K Talk about your benefits
- 6K Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
- 19.5K PIP, DLA, ADP and AA
- 8.1K Universal Credit (UC)
- 5.7K Benefits and income