Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

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  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 861 Championing

    You've said it also for me, as I'm in the same situation as you, but I hardly see anything to be Okay!

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 861 Championing

    So, the vote is not taking place today but 9th of July!

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 414 Empowering

    I'm sure there will be a lot of MPs happy for their constituents that are currently on pip but will vote against as my MP is doing because it's bonkers treating new claimants differently it just doesn't add up. A desperate back down choice that just doesn't work and a lot of MPs know it.

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 414 Empowering

    It's strange I thought I was going to get a ESA migration letter instead the letter I got said my ESA payments have changed but will carry on.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 302 Empowering

    What are you getting at with these figures ? I am sorry I don't understand why you included them, what is the context ? I admit, I am hot lol my head is pounding as its so humid today, maybe its just a me problem ?

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 861 Championing

    When you start migrating and filling in the UC form, for the rent section, make sure you get the amount for your rent and service charges separately. Last saturday, while I was filling in the form, I only had the total rent, including the service charges, and as I couldn't skip that page, I just put the rent twice in the spaces for both the rent and service charges, knowing that I would call my landlord tomorrow to get the right figures, which I did, and that they would also contact my landlord anyway.

    I corrected it and provided the amounts separately, but a DWP advisor from Belfast replied to me this morning asking me to report a change, which would trigger anything, even though no change whatsoever has taken place. So, just be careful when filling in this section.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,542 Championing

    Thier not satisfied that it won't be overturned that's a good thing blast them with emails I think it will be pulled

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,542 Championing

    Oh OK yes no haven't recieved that have you had your pip assessment?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,542 Championing

    Whats happening today is it going ahead im confused that's all labour do is confuse people

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 300 Championing

    Already Kendall ignored a question about 150,000 people being put into poverty.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    Where did you hear that passer-by ? If true I’d say he doesn’t have the numbers and it’s more concessions

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing
  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 302 Empowering

    Awww, thank you so much MW for getting back to us so quickly. I cannot shake the idea we are being taken for fools. I said all along that the concession for PIP current claimants needed to be clarified as I believe we are being mis lead in so many ways and not just with PIP. I am happy some folk are finally waking up to the idea that we have not won, I never believed we had. Your MP believes its a temp thing, so at our next review we loose that concession, is that really a concession, nope, it is not, it is fluff to get the rebels on board. Thank you again, you are a star for doing this, much appreciation from me MW 🤗😊

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    I think July 9th is the next vote after todays, and it's the one where the speaker decides if its a money bill or will face proper scrutiny in the Lords.

  • Fuzzy200
    Fuzzy200 Online Community Member Posts: 43 Empowering

    Unfortunately it's articles like this from the Telegraph which we are up against.

    Claimants handed disability benefits for acne and writer’s cramp

    Enhanced Pip payments for people ‘pretending to be ill or deliberately producing symptoms’ revealed by DWP figures

    1073Gift this article freeTony Diver Associate Political Editor. Ben Butcher Data Editor01 July 2025 6:32am BST

    Benefit claimants with conditions including acne and writer’s cramp have been handed additional disability payments from the Government, official figures show.

    A new analysis of data from the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has found a sharp rise in a number of conditions suffered by people claiming extra money because of mobility problems.

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    This included 13 people who received enhanced personal independence payment (Pip) for “factitious disorders,” which are conditions when a patient “pretends to be ill or deliberately produces symptoms of illness”, according to the NHS definition.

    Other problems reported by claimants receiving “enhanced” mobility payments of £77 a week included five people with acne, six with writer’s cramp – a movement disorder that makes it hard to use the hands – and 31 with food intolerances.

    It came as the Government launched a review into Pip, after a rebellion of more than 120 Labour MPs against Sir Keir Starmer’s plan to reduce the number of people who can claim it.

    Sir Stephen Timms, a welfare minister, will now run a consultation with disabled people, charities and other stakeholders to determine how the rules should be changed.

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    The Labour government argues that it must try to reduce the cost of welfare in Britain, which has seen a sharp rise since the Covid-pandemic mostly through more claims for mental illness.

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    The reforms proposed by Sir Keir would have cut payments for people on universal credit who said they had a “limited capacity” to work, to encourage them to employment.

    He also proposed cutting Pip, which is paid to claimants regardless of whether they work, and consists of a “daily living” and “mobility” allowance.

    But after the rebellion, ministers have scaled back the reforms and will now only save around £2.5 billion a year by the end of the decade, compared to £5 billion initially projected.

    The climbdown means that all existing Pip claimants will continue to receive their current benefits, and the stricter rules will only apply to new claimants from November 2026.

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    An impact assessment of the updated plans, published on Monday, found that 150,000 people would still be pushed into relative poverty by the new rules, compared to 250,000 under the earlier reforms.

    Ministers argue that fewer people will actually be in poverty because the impact assessment did not include the effect of a £1 billion-a-year drive to get people back into work.

    Some Labour MPs said they still planned to vote against the changes on Tuesday, but the Government is expected to get legislation through the House of Commons with the support of some former rebels.

    The spiralling cost of disability benefits was laid bare by a new analysis of the data by the TaxPayers’ Alliance campaign group, which highlighted examples of claims that warranted the £77 weekly payment under DWP rules.

    The total number of claimants receiving enhanced Pip in April 2025 was 1.75 million, up from 734,136 in January 2019.

    The largest increases, in line with other benefits data, were granted to people with mental health issues including autism, anxiety and depression.

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    But other rises involved people with factitious disorders, which increased to 13 claimants from 11.

    The NHS says that Munchausen syndrome, one factitious disorder, happens when a patient’s “main intention is to assume the ‘sick role’ so that people care for them and they are the centre of attention”.

    The health service’s website adds: “Some people with Munchausen syndrome may spend years travelling from hospital to hospital faking a wide range of illnesses.

    “When it’s discovered they’re lying, they may suddenly leave hospital and move to another area.”

    John O’Connell, chief executive of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “While England is a sicker country than it was before the pandemic, the size of the increases for many of these conditions surely cannot be believed by even the most gullible of MPs.

    “Britain is in desperate need of a politician who has the courage to tackle this system head on to ensure that taxpayers’ money is being protected while those who genuinely need help receive it.”

    The Labour about-turn on benefits reform means that far fewer people are expected to be denied payments than under the Government’s original plans.

    In the Autumn Statement, the DWP projected that the Pip caseload would continue to rise, jumping from 3.7 million to 5.1 by 2029/30.

    The expected annual spend has been forecast to increase by £18 billion by the end of the decade without reform.

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    The cuts first suggested by Labour would, according to updated figures in the Spring Statement, see the Pip caseload rise by 423,000 less than that initial estimate, although it would still be about a million more people higher than current levels.

    Alongside other reforms relating to universal credit, the IFS estimated total savings of £4.6 billion at the time, but roughly £3 billion of that saving is now set to be lost, taking total savings to less than 0.5 per cent of the welfare budget.

    The number of people claiming Pip has risen by 55 per cent since January 2020, with one in seven (13.7 per cent) of people now successfully claiming it.

    The largest increases are among people with mental health issues, and psychiatric disorders are now responsible for 38 per cent of claims.

    Some commentators have suggested that the increase in successful claims has been driven by online or over-the-phone Pip assessments, which previously happened mostly in person.

    Prospective claimants can consult websites that advise which keywords to use to score the maximum number of points on the assessment.

    Almost 6 per cent of young adults are claiming for mental health issues, up from less than 2 per cent in the 2000s, Telegraph analysis shows.

    In some parts of the country, as many as one in six adults are on disability payments. In Liverpool, Walton, the proportion has increased from 11 per cent to 17.3 per cent. This is compared to just 2.8 per cent in Mid Buckinghamshire.

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  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 148 Empowering

    Unfortunately it's articles like this from the Telegraph which we are up against.

    Claimants handed disability benefits for acne and writer’s cramp

    True, and

    We can choose to write to the media re incorrect facts and prejudices against disabiled people.

    In fact, we all owe it to ourselves to do so.

    Education not prejudice.

    Milan, the eternal optimist.

    In many countries you cannot write to the media or govt because its a dictatorship where you might be killed or disappear for doing so.

    My glass is mostly half full; life is full of problems i.er. opportunities for compassion.

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